BNP members pass membership vote

[prometheus unbound]

BNP members pass membership vote

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The Voting was as follows:
5 against
3 abstained
Over 300 voted for.

[prometheus unbound]

Only 300 voted with Griffin. How many members are there in the BNP ?

[Sharon]

Only 300 voted with Griffin. How many members are there in the BNP ?Don't you have to pay extra to get voting rights? Or, the rest of the membership couldn't be bothered to vote?

[prometheus unbound]

Don't you have to pay extra to get voting rights? Or, the rest of the membership couldn't be bothered to vote?

Once again with Griffin the whole lot is a mess !

[Leyther]

Only 300 voted with Griffin. How many members are there in the BNP ?

Never mind that, look at the percentage of the vote that he got - over 99.97%...

[Sharon]

Once again with Griffin the whole lot is a mess !I have some questions PU. In an EGM every member is entitled to vote, clearly they didn't. Where were the postal votes? You state 3 abstained, but according to the BNPs own membership figures more than 8000 abstained, so how can it be carried?

[mad dog or wolf]

Never mind that, look at the percentage of the vote that he got - over 99.97%...

What happened to the 8000 odd members who have not been consulted or have they? what happened to the postal vote ? maybe 8000 odd members do not exist ?.What is the wording of the CONSTITUTION PLEASE TELL ME.

[Leyther]

What happend to the 8000 odd members who have not been cosulted or have they? what happend to the postal vote ? maybe 8000 odd members do not exist ?.What is the wording of the CONSTITUTION PLEASE TELL ME.

Those don't look like Americanisms to me.

Here you are, do some research of your own.http://www.mattwardman.com/blog/2009/04/03/constitution-of-the-british-national-party-bnp/


Do you know what sarcasm is?

[maximilian]

Never mind that, look at the percentage of the vote that he got - over 99.97%...

I'm glad you emphasised that it was a vote that he got, that he wanted.

With it comes a huge responsibility too come the General Election, as should the BNP do very badly it may be construed that what the chairman so clearly wanted and was obviously going to get, was not beneficial to the party as a whole. It may be seen as a very bad judgement call on his part.

As for 300 deciding the fate and the future of the BNP out of tens of thousands, it doesn't make sense, and I'm sure we will be hearing more about this in the future. When we think of the 300 we think of those brave warriors that held out to the last man against the Asiatic hordes, the Spartans. I'm afraid that this 300 are not fit to lick the salt off their sandals, and should never again be mentioned in the same sentence.

Should some members decide that they did not have a fair say or were sidestepped, or just simply cannot remain in a multicultural party, I'm sure there will be a lot of them voting with their feet as they go in search of not only a more democratic party, but one that is a little less rainbowesque and pointless.


max

[Riaz Sobrany]

What happend to the 8000 odd members who have not been cosulted or have they? what happend to the postal vote ? maybe 8000 odd members do not exist ?.What is the wording of the CONSTITUTION PLEASE TELL ME.

If 300 members of an 'elite' really have decided major BNP policy and the remaining 8,000 or so rank and file members have been left out in the cold then it really does expose the BNP as the sham it is.

[Leyther]

I'm glad you emphasised that it was a vote that he got, that he wanted.


max

That was one of those Freudian slip thingies, it wasn't intentional.

When I speak of the BNP I do make the mistake of thinking about NG, as it appears to be one man fronting an anonymous band.

[Sharon]

If 300 members of an 'elite' really have decided major BNP policy and the remaining 8,000 or so rank and file members have been left out in the cold then it really does expose the BNP as the sham it is.That's what I'm trying to point out. They can't.
An EGM must involve the entire membership or the party has acted illegally.

[Sharon]

I'm glad you emphasised that it was a vote that he got, that he wanted.

With it comes a huge responsibility too come the General Election, as should the BNP do very badly it may be construed that what the chairman so clearly wanted and was obviously going to get, was not beneficial to the party as a whole. It may be seen as a very bad judgement call on his part.

As for 300 deciding the fate and the future of the BNP out of tens of thousands, it doesn't make sense, and I'm sure we will be hearing more about this in the future. When we think of the 300 we think of those brave warriors that held out to the last man against the Asiatic hordes, the Spartans. I'm afraid that this 300 are not fit to lick the salt off their sandals, and should never again be mentioned in the same sentence.

Should some members decide that they did not have a fair say or were sidestepped, or just simply cannot remain in a multicultural party, I'm sure there will be a lot of them voting with their feet as they go in search of not only a more democratic party, but one that is a little less rainbowesque and pointless.


maxI have been told that the paid up voting members who attended the meeting last year, were told by Griffin, that if they voted no to the constitution change it would not go to the the members, but that the party would be shut down quickly by the EHRC. That threat from Griffin in mind they threw it to go to the members. They discovered afterwards that Griffin was going to change the constitution regardless of the outcome.

[prometheus unbound]

That's what I'm trying to point out. They can't.
An EGM must involve the entire membership or the party has acted illegally.

It won't be the first time that the BNP under Griffin has acted illegally. He has flouted the BNP's own Constitution by already allowing non-whites into the party, something he should have indicated to this sham Court action. He disregarded the last EGM's discussion on voting members when Chris Jackson pointed this out at that meeting.

I just wonder what Richard Edmonds & Val Tyndall will do now, not that I am really interested.

It's a very sad day for British nationalism. With people like Griffin at the helm, we will never win our Country back.

[fostersfolly]

That's what I'm trying to point out. They can't.
An EGM must involve the entire membership or the party has acted illegally.

The whole BNP membership were given the opportunity to attend and vote.
Good speeches against the changes by Bob Gertner and Paul Ballard, but the sheep were having none of it!

[prometheus unbound]

The whole BNP membership were given the opportunity to attend and vote.


Nonsense !

How do people from the North of England get down there, especially when it was all 'cut and dried' , and why should they ? There are comments over on SF saying this every thing from people entitled to vote .

There was also very little time given to the members see this;

The meeting was hastily arranged after the Central London county court last month told the BNP to amend its constitution to comply with race relations laws or face legal action by the EHRC. After the hearing on 28 January , the BNP rushed out letters to its 14,000 members in order to allow for the 14 days needed to alert them to the proposed changes.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2010/feb/14/bnp-votes-scrap-whites-only-policy?

[fostersfolly]

Nonsense !

How do people from the North of England get down there, especially when it was all 'cut and dried' , and why should they ? There are comments over on SF saying this every thing from people entitled to vote .


Don't you understand English, ALL BNP members were given the opportunity to attend!!! You could say how were members in the south expected to get to Blackpool and the various meetings that have been held for years in the the North. If members of the BNP can't get off their backsides and vote NO then they have to accept what happened. Of course Griffin picked this part of the country so he could restrict who came, but none the less every member knew about the event.

[maximilian]

Don't you understand English, ALL BNP members were given the opportunity to attend!!! You could say how were members in the south expected to get to Blackpool and the various meetings that have been held for years in the the North. If members of the BNP can't get off their backsides and vote NO then they have to accept what happened. Of course Griffin picked this part of the country so he could restrict who came, but none the less every member knew about the event.

Can I ask how big the venue was? I assume it was big enough to accommodate these tens of thousands of members who didn't, or couldn't be bothered, to show up.


max

[dave]

Don't you understand English, ALL BNP members were given the opportunity to attend!!

And who do you think you are talking to, boyo? A lot more respect for PU if you don't mind.

[prometheus unbound]

During the meeting, veteran nationalist Richard Edmonds stood up and read a piece of writing from party founder John Tyndall which said that if the law was ever changed, the BNP would amend its membership criteria to comply with the law. This, Mr Edmonds said, was why he was voting in favour of the new constitution.

http://bnp.org.uk/2010/02/extraordinary-general-meeting-passes-new-bnp-constitution-with-overwhelming-vote/


Oh dear, oh dear ! :(

[Henry]

Never mind that, look at the percentage of the vote that he got - over 99.97%...

99.7% :D that result is worthy of uncle Joe Stalin himself.

Well done the chairman. A most splendid achievement indeed:rolleyes:

[Unregistered]

The sad fact that only 2% of the membership bothered to turn up in what was in reality
a vote for the future of the Party says it all. As for Edmonds using J.T. to sell us out then
i for one can never ever forgive him. J.T. R.I.P. B.N.P. R.I.P.

[lou minarty]

During the meeting, veteran nationalist Richard Edmonds stood up and read a piece of writing from party founder John Tyndall which said that if the law was ever changed, the BNP would amend its membership criteria to comply with the law. This, Mr Edmonds said, was why he was voting in favour of the new constitution.

http://bnp.org.uk/2010/02/extraordinary-general-meeting-passes-new-bnp-constitution-with-overwhelming-vote/


Oh dear, oh dear ! :(

Why has the law actually been changed?

[Sharon]

Why has the law actually been changed?

No, the law hasn't been passed yet, and it may never be as I can't see Labour getting in EVER again after what I've been reading this week. I doubt the Tories would push the law through, they like the BNP, it makes them feel decent.

[Sharon]

99.7% :D that result is worthy of uncle Joe Stalin himself.

Well done the chairman. A most splendid achievement indeed:rolleyes:Do you suppose the members have contemplated what it would be like to live under a regime run by Griffin where all the wealth is split between his family and his cronies, and where if you dared to speak out he'd have you executed?

I don't think they think at all...

Griffin is a corrupt vile bastard who should be fed to his own pigs.

[dave]

Griffin is a corrupt vile bastard who should be fed to his own pigs.

Why? What have the poor pigs ever done that is so bad that they are fed on Griffin.

[mad dog or wolf]

Why has the law actually been changed?

The LAW It has not yet and I repeat Not yet been changed so why change before it becomes law.to have the change,s for when the law is changed i can understand but to change the constitution before the change in law it does baffle me.

[Aelfgifu]

There comes a time in everyone's life when a decision has to be made between principles and pragmatism. It is a harsh reality that principles cost. Today 300 people purporting to be nationalists decided that their country wasn't worth the fight. You have compromised your consciences for a man who doesn't have one.

[Riaz Sobrany]

The LAW It has not yet and I repeat Not yet been changed so why change before it becomes law.to have the change,s for when the law is changed i can understand but to change the constitution before the change in law it does baffle me.

This is something I cannot understand. Sharon is probably right in that parliament will run out of time before the legislation is passed and it will fall by the wayside as a Tory government is almost inevitable now and they won't have the audacity to pass this legislation.

Gri££in really is putting on his shoes before his socks.

[mad dog or wolf]

During the meeting, veteran nationalist Richard Edmonds stood up and read a piece of writing from party founder John Tyndall which said that if the law was ever changed, the BNP would amend its membership criteria to comply with the law. This, Mr Edmonds said, was why he was voting in favour of the new constitution.

http://bnp.org.uk/2010/02/extraordinary-general-meeting-passes-new-bnp-constitution-with-overwhelming-vote/


Oh dear, oh dear ! :(

The emphasis being on the words of John Tyndall which said that if the law was ever changed, the BNP would amend its membership criteria to comply with the law.

Well The LAW has not yet been CHANGED,so why the CHANGE.

[prometheus unbound]

Why? What have the poor pigs ever done that is so bad that they are fed on Griffin.

Griffin ate his pigs Anne and Frank years ago !

[ceonwulf]

Traitors..................

[whitehammer]

the new constitution has also empowered the party leader with the right to revise any clause over which the ECHR might try and make an argument.

[maximilian]

As for Edmonds using J.T. to sell us out then
i for one can never ever forgive him. J.T. R.I.P. B.N.P. R.I.P.

I agree.

John Tyndall was an intelligent man, if the law made it impossible to carry on as the BNP were, I'm quite sure he would have compromised and found a way around it as Edmonds says.

But that would have been a last resort, John Tyndall was not only a White Nationalist but a fighter too, and only when all avenues had been explored and many battles fought would he even consider such a thing.

From Spearhead:

Nationalist Victory

An historic day - Thursday, 5th September 2002 and the scene is Leeds Crown Court No. Four. Tony Hancock, printer of the pamphlet Merrie England, written by veteran nationalist Colin Jordan, is cleared of all the charges under Britain's infamous ‘race’ laws. This is a tremendous victory for the cause in the United Kingdom.

The vindictive system - despite the fact that Colin Jordan was never tried or convicted for producing the pamphlet - was determined to have its pound of flesh. So the totally innocent Tony Hancock, who only printed it, was hauled into court. His only crime, printing, which is his business. They dressed-up this gross attack on individual freedom by charging him with ‘aiding and abetting’ Colin Jordan in a producing a pamphlet calculated (or ‘likely’ to cause) racial hatred.

Mr Hancock's barrister, Adrian Davies, brilliantly defended him. Witnesses brought by the prosecution were left-wing Labour MPs - who, needless to say, expressed their ‘outrage’ at receiving the pamphlet Merrie England. They were joined by David Michael Whine, a leading light in the Board of Deputies of British Jews. His evidence was effectively demolished by defence counsel. Whine had a hard job explaining his definition of who and what constituted a Jewish person, and the whole charade of race laws was shown as the ‘Alice-in-Wonderland’ piece of legislation that it is.

The twists and turns of the prosecution case and the statements of the witnesses in court were mind-boggling in the efforts to prove ‘racial-hatred’. The judge, who seemed impartial and fair throughout the trial, when giving his summing-up to the jury stated very forcefully that the whole area of race legislation was particularly difficult. He stated that if the jury thought that the defendant had the right to express his opinion in the light of a decent society being able to tolerate ‘extreme’ views, they should acquit him. The judge also stressed that the right of freedom of speech was reinforced by European human rights legislation, now part of British law.

The learned Judge was right. Not only is the race legislation unjust, it is ridiculous. The race acts and public order acts laws governing race are forever being amended and strengthened, and leave very little scope for rational and sensible debate on the extremely important issues of race and immigration, and of course on issues concerning the Jewish community and its power.

Tony Hancock was tried by twelve true Britons who exercised their common sense above the vagaries and iniquities of unjust legislation and bought out a verdict of "Not Guilty"!

The day was a great victory for white nationalism and for freedom. Tony Hancock should be saluted for his firm stand and unflinching courage in winning through against all the system could throw at him!



Does that sound like a man who would have laid down and played dead after the first volley of blanks by the EHRC?

Also, look what can happen when you actually challenge the race industry, the whole house of cards is exposed as being built on very dodgy foundations indeed.

John Tyndall:
The day was a great victory for white nationalism and for freedom.

Pity the same can't be said of today, someone has already coined it the St. Valentines Day Massacre.


max

[prometheus unbound]

And here comes the 'pushing the boundaries' further. Look at this on the BNP website;


http://bnp.org.uk/members/danielmuranbuti/

Region London

Are you a BNP member? No

Full Name Daniel Muranbuti

About Me I am a young and laid-back kinda guy, I like reggae and poetry, and I fully support your aim to keep Britain British, now I know you ain’t racist and against my People. We’re all on the same side, and I just know it won’t be long before we can celebrate together like the Americans do with their black president.

http://bnp.org.uk/wp-content/blogs.dir/1/files/avatars/13079/04b5ad2a076dc041dd37f6e0ee8df6a4-bpfull.jpg

[Tactics]

The EHRC will now probably push for even more "changes", now that Griffin is officially on the states leash, I say officially, it's clear to those who aren't blind that Griffin has been doing the states bidding for years, why else would he be allowed to get away with such blatant financial shennanigans if this was not the case?:mad:

Our time will come.:)

[Tactics]

And here comes the 'pushing the boundaries' further. Look at this on the BNP website;


http://bnp.org.uk/members/danielmuranbuti/

Region London

Are you a BNP member? No

Full Name Daniel Muranbuti

About Me I am a young and laid-back kinda guy, I like reggae and poetry, and I fully support your aim to keep Britain British, now I know you ain’t racist and against my People. We’re all on the same side, and I just know it won’t be long before we can celebrate together like the Americans do with their black president.

http://bnp.org.uk/wp-content/blogs.dir/1/files/avatars/13079/04b5ad2a076dc041dd37f6e0ee8df6a4-bpfull.jpg

I'm gonna hurl.

[rebel]

Well, at least nobody will now complain if Lecomber hires a black DJ for a BNP social Bash. Won´t be any white boys there to do da complaining.

[Sharon]

I'm gonna hurl.What you have there is a very savvy man, or a man who has been put up to it. Read the comments he has left. I bet you he has the BNP in court for racism and a nice fat cheque at the end of it.

Tony Lecomber once told me the BNP couldn't last forever, and that one day it would implode. I asked what then? He said something else would rise to take its place. Thing is, how often are people prepared to play that game before time runs out completely? Last week the FOIA handed nationalists the crown jewels, I'm just VERY VERY disturbed that no one here, the BNP, the NF etc have taken it and run with it. Its a powder keg that could have shut the EHRC down and every other organisation of its ilk started by the Labour party.

[JiB]

I'm gonna hurl.

He'll be able to chat to this guy now.... :p
http://bnp.org.uk/members/varb/

[JiB]

Last week the FOIA handed nationalists the crown jewels


:confused: What was that then Sharon?

[Tactics]

:confused: What was that then Sharon?
The immigration article.

[JiB]

The immigration article.

Ok, the Labour one. I agree. Parts of it would make a great leaflet.

[Sharon]

The emphasis being on the words of John Tyndall which said that if the law was ever changed, the BNP would amend its membership criteria to comply with the law.

Well The LAW has not yet been CHANGED,so why the CHANGE.The change is so that those brain-washed by the Labour party over the past 15yrs in their social experiment will feel safe to join without being called a RACIST. The benefits to Griffin are huge. He'll be pocketing £10million a year from now on. Money money money...................

[Sharon]

:confused: What was that then Sharon?The Labour party document clearly stating that immigration was to destroy this nation, its people, its culture, the monarchy, and its religion. THE LABOUR PARTY HATE BRITAIN AND ITS PEOPLE.

If the EDL want to demonstrate they should do it based on that document.

[Sharon]

Why? What have the poor pigs ever done that is so bad that they are fed on Griffin.You're quite right. Sorry*sorry*

He should be taken outside and kicked to death instead with well directed boots and fists :)

[whitehammer]

this is funny.Times (semit)guy that dont want to leave the meeting.

hVU1IWfiha4

[Henry]

this is funny.Times (semit)guy that dont want to leave the meeting.

hVU1IWfiha4

Barnbrook is such a ponce :D I haven't seen a swing of the hips like that since Larry Grayson tread the boards :old:

[Riaz Sobrany]

Barnbrook is such a ponce :D I haven't seen a swing of the hips like that since Larry Grayson tread the boards :old:

I used to meet Barnbrook in London pubs a few years ago. He got through plenty of Bombardier bitter and cigarettes. At one meeting he was up and down like a piston to phone Nick Gri££in for his advice and conformation on everything being discussed at the meeting. I mean, doesn't he have the authority or judgement himself?!

[Henry]

I used to meet Barnbrook in London pubs a few years ago. He got through plenty of Bombardier bitter and cigarettes. At one meeting he was up and down like a piston to phone Nick Gri££in for his advice and conformation on everything being discussed at the meeting. I mean, doesn't he have the authority or judgement himself?!

Let me guess.

He was the one in beige with a mobile phone welded to his ear.

[mad dog or wolf]

Let me guess.

He was the one in beige with a mobile phone welded to his ear.

Its called hessian or khaki the desert demob suit.

[Sharon]

Its been the top story on the BBC for hours. Loads of money...

[mad dog or wolf]

Its been the top story on the BBC for hours. Loads of money...

That statement sound Jewish to me I first herd it from Max Bygraves although he is not Jewish.

[prometheus unbound]

Its been the top story on the BBC for hours. Loads of money...

It's all over the mass media. Why is it so important to them ? :rolleyes:

I noticed the pro=multi racial Griffin and Butler laughing that they had got what they wanted.

[Sharon]

It's all over the mass media. Why is it so important to them ? :rolleyes:

I noticed the pro=multi racial Griffin and Butler laughing that they had got what they wanted.If nothing else, today has proved that there is just as much apathy within the BNP as all the other parties. Only 300 people turned up, I wonder if the others got an invite?

[Henry]

Its been the top story on the BBC for hours. Loads of money...

I've had BBC24 on for about 4hrs while I've been reading and let's be honest - it's had the same three stories playing over and over again like a stuck record.

If you want to know what's going on in the world; then you won't get it from the ZBC.

[prometheus unbound]

Sunday, 14 February 2010
A COMPLETE SELL OUT OF RACIAL-NATIONALISM

Over 400 members arrived at the railway station and they were directed to the venue.
The BNP National Organiser Mr Eddy Butler opened the meeting at 1215. He was followed by the Reverend West who led the prayers for a good outcome to the coming vote.
The chairman of the British National Party then spoke for one hour about the current situation and then asked if there were any opposers and would they please raise their hands.
Only two people dissented and they were asked if they would like to leave the room to discuss the subject. The opposers stated that because of their few numbers that it was pointless and declined the invitation.
Mr Griffin then spoke for a further hour before opening the floor to questions. In total 9 members asked questions that were answered by the chairman to the apparent satisfaction of the questioners.

Voting members showed their overwhelming support for their chairman Mr Nick Griffin MEP by following his advice with regards to the changes needed to the Party's Constitution for the party to survive and continue in its battle to reclaim the Country for its rightful owners.
The Voting was as follows:
5 against
3 abstained
Over 300 voted for.

A victory for common sense. The event took place the in following order.
After lunch 9 more people asked questions which were responded to?
At 1515 Mr Nick Griffin spoke for five minutes defending the motion.
10 other people then also spoke defending the motion.
Just 3 people spoke out against the motion.
The vote was then taken and the motion passed.
All members then stood and sang an emotional JERUSALEM before leaving the room.
Why did they even bother voting as it was a done deal?

So after all the blood sweat and tears, all the money and time, lost jobs, relationships broken, arrests and police harassment and much more in the name of Nationalism, Nick Griffin gives into the Phillips run race industry without a fight.
I never thought I would see Nick Griffin give in so easily, hands in the air White flag flying high.
He even said if White people do not like it then the BNP is not for them on Sky TV!

I remember when the BNP was ‘only’ for White people - how times change!
He has betrayed the very same White nationalist who put him where he is today. What has happened to his fighting spirit when he was once prepared for prison during the Leeds Crown

Court case?

This threat was met with no protest at all; no demonstrations and I have to ask myself why that is? I am sure you will form your own opinions. Well it only remains for me to say that the National Front with its 43 years of History and non-changing policies is ready to welcome all the White people Griffin does not want.

The ‘National Front’ the Only Racial White Nationalist Party in the UK today. Join the National Front.. http://www.national-front.org.uk/

Tom Linden (NF Press and Publicity)

Pip pip
http://thebuckshotter.blogspot.com/2010/02/complete-sell-out-of-racial-nationalism.html

[Leyther]

The BNP membership needed a healthy dose of disobedience today. The audience here refused to recognize the Race Relations act; some of them were sent to jail.

Martin Webster get's into his stride, "... the Labour Council deliberately led us into a trap..."

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Battle of Lewisham
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z_ClVtPKQoc&feature=related

Vetarans' march 1977
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lC_dsoOk0C0&feature=related

NF against terrorism
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VjggtV7VDX8&feature=related

Anti-IRA demo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=030EsALv_Uw&feature=related

I found this one quite moving; ordinary white working-class people letting rip against
the Marxist scum.



Lots more on the same link.

What is startling about these is the way that the general public nowadays have become
placid and conforming. The people in these clips have still got minds of their own.

Thanks to whoever took the trouble to film those and post them on You tube.

[Unregistered]

Griffin ate his pigs Anne and Frank years ago !

I very much doubt it, i bet Griffin dosent eat pork.

[prometheus unbound]

A South African poster over on Stormfront called Hector has suggested this;


It seems the British National Party is following the path of the South African National Party.

http://www.stormfront.org/forum/showthread.php?t=657445&page=9

Post 86.

I had already noticed the similarities myself. And we all know what is going on in South Africa and has occured in Rhodesia/Zimbabwe.

[prometheus unbound]

http://mybnp.co.uk/newsletter/chairman1.jpg

A message from Chairman Nick Griffin


Fellow British Patriot,

The Extraordinary General Meeting (EGM) that took place on Sunday was an astounding success. The aura of Party unity and dogged determination that was written on the faces of all those present was amazing to behold.

Our enemies really thought that the whole Equalities Commission attack would bring us tumbling down in a disunited factional heap. How wrong they were! I have drafted a message to all supporters of the British Resistance. Click on the image below to read it:
==================================================


An astounding success ?

[Riaz Sobrany]

Here's another reason for changing the membership criteria

FEAR!

Not of the establishment but of the EDL creating a multiracial anti-Islamic party. The change in policy has now put the kybosh on this.

[Sharon]

Here's another reason for changing the membership criteria

FEAR!

Not of the establishment but of the EDL creating a multiracial anti-Islamic party. The change in policy has now put the kybosh on this.That already existed in the shape of UKIP.

[Ian]

The comments on the BNP website are positive. The youtube footage of the Times reporter being ejected by BNP staff, after refusing to leave, showed a robust positivity also.

The idea that islam is being built up as the enemy, is relevant. But muslims do that themselves by their words and behaviour. The UKIP party, or pseudo-party operatives, maintain an anti-EU posture, not an anti-islamic one. UKIP, with its MEPs, MLAs etc., and full access to the media, has done almost nothing in real terms.

[prometheus unbound]

The comments on the BNP website are positive. The youtube footage of the Times reporter being ejected by BNP staff, after refusing to leave, showed a robust positivity also.

The idea that islam is being built up as the enemy, is relevant. But muslims do that themselves by their words and behaviour. The UKIP party, or pseudo-party operatives, maintain an anti-EU posture, not an anti-islamic one. UKIP, with its MEPs, MLAs etc., and full access to the media, has done almost nothing in real terms.

Positive for who ? The BNP website comments are a disgrace, full of multi-racial crap.

The images of the Times reporter showed some determination - it's a shame there was no determination shown against the Government instead of running up the white flag !

I think the picture of the Times reporter may come back to haunt those who turfed him out.

[Sharon]

Positive for who ? They are a disgrace, full of multi-racial crap.

The images of the Times reporter showed some determination - it's a shame there was no determination shown against the Government instead of running up the white flag !

I think the picture of the Times reporter may come back to haunt those who turfed him out.I don't think the image will haunt them, more likely a court case. Isn't it against the law for anyone other than a police officer to physically remove someone from a public building? I understand you ask people to politely leave, if they refuse you call the police. You can only man-handle in self defence. Was the Times reporter brandishing a weapon?

The BNP behaved in a crass and very stupid way. It showed them up as immature thugs.

[whitehammer]

Isn't it against the law for anyone other than a police officer to physically remove someone from a public building? I understand you ask people to politely leave, if they refuse you call the police........It was private property hired by the bnp.The tw@t was told to leave but refused to so the stewards/security team could remove him from the hall.If licensees call the police every time they have aggro.They loose their license.

[whitehammer]

A personal letter from...
Chairman Nick Griffin MEP

so it is doubly important to refill our Party coffers .any gift,donation options.by giving some of the money.pay .costs.court costs.DONATIONS NEEDED.cost us a great deal of money,ruinously expensive.sixpence.cost.pay our lawyers . reduce the costs. donated.financial.expensive litigation.drain our coffers of money .money.

[whitehammer]

And here comes the 'pushing the boundaries' further. Look at this on the BNP website;


http://bnp.org.uk/members/danielmuranbuti/

Region London

Are you a BNP member? No

Full Name Daniel Muranbuti

About Me I am a young and laid-back kinda guy, I like reggae and poetry, and I fully support your aim to keep Britain British, now I know you ain’t racist and against my People. We’re all on the same side, and I just know it won’t be long before we can celebrate together like the Americans do with their black president.

http://bnp.org.uk/wp-content/blogs.dir/1/files/avatars/13079/04b5ad2a076dc041dd37f6e0ee8df6a4-bpfull.jpg

The bnp tame nigger.turns out to be a violent drug crazed dead criminal.Oh the reds are jolly boys. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BART_Police_shooting_of_Oscar_Grant

[DH Comet]

Where were the postal votes?

There were none. You could only have a vote if you turned up at the meeting. As it was a redirection point, that disqualified anyone who does not drive. If a two thirds majority of the membership voting for is what is needed to change the constitution then surely this vote is not valid, as the vast majority of the membership did not have the opportunity to vote.

[rebel]

Isn't it against the law for anyone other than a police officer to physically remove someone from a public building? I understand you ask people to politely leave, if they refuse you call the police........It was private property hired by the bnp.The tw@t was told to leave but refused to so the stewards/security team could remove him from the hall.If licensees call the police every time they have aggro.They loose their license.

Exactly. The BNP hired the hall so they had all right to decide who was and who was not- allowed into the meeting. It was completely their choice and right in my opinion.

[prometheus unbound]

Exactly. The BNP hired the hall so they had all right to decide who was and who was not- allowed into the meeting. It was completely their choice and right in my opinion.

I think the law says the 'use of minimum force'. I don't care what happens to that nob, but I fear others do, and we will see that picture more in future.

[Sharon]

Exactly. The BNP hired the hall so they had all right to decide who was and who was not- allowed into the meeting. It was completely their choice and right in my opinion.Regardless, they looked like complete amateurs shoving a journalist around. Politicians don't behave like that, thugs do. If he was throwing punches it would have been different, but he was holding a pencil.

[tyrone]

I wonder if sometime in the near future the party will get a membership application in the name of weyman bennett ? or even worse some idiot might even process it ?

[Unregistered]

A licensee can use reasonable force to eject people from the premises, and that goes for security who are working on the licensees behalf.

[prometheus unbound]

Anyway who can remember this advert from VOICE OF FREEDOM May 2000 ?

Would you buy a car from the man ?

[Tactics]

Anyway who can remember this advert from VOICE OF FREEDOM May 2000 ?

Would you buy a car from the man ?


I wouldn't trust him to open a can of sardines that was already open.:D

[Sharon]

Anyway who can remember this advert from VOICE OF FREEDOM May 2000 ?

Would you buy a car from the man ?When you look at that you get the real essence of exactly what Griffin is. He's cheap, trashy, and utterly vulgar. I wish I'd seen it 10yrs ago:)

[Unregistered]

Martin Wingfield has gone from a vague 'Patriot' to an ideological neutral. See the Flag 1986 issue where he describes Frank Bruno as a likeable black boxer!

[Jaggy Thistle]

I think the car-selling farago was on the go earlier than 2000. I'm sure that someone was trying to offload cars that for some odd reason been bought for an election campaign. Either that or I was still on the mailing list in 2000.

Did anyone buy them?:rolleyes:

[mad dog or wolf]

Anyway who can remember this advert from VOICE OF FREEDOM May 2000 ?

Would you buy a car from the man ?

KNOW and how dangerous they were Mrs S Edwards bought ONE and it broke down and was described as a DEATH trap ,so who would by a car from Dependable cars well she did so more fool her because the dodgy dealer was Nick Griffin.
And to take the piss he sold them at the first RWB and they were not British cars.

[tyrone]

KNOW and how dangerous they wer Mrs S Edwards bought ONE and it broke down and was described as a DEATH trap ,so who would by a car from Dependable cars well she did so more fool her because the dodgy dealer was Nick Griffin.
And to take the piss he sold them at the first RWB and the wer not British cars.

Bangkok tuk tuks will be on sale at this years RWB the way the party is going !

[prometheus unbound]

Bangkok tuk tuks will be on sale at this years RWB the way the party is going !

Hahaha ! Bangkok tuk tuks ! :)

[prometheus unbound]

I think the car-selling farago was on the go earlier than 2000. I'm sure that someone was trying to offload cars that for some odd reason been bought for an election campaign. Either that or I was still on the mailing list in 2000.

Did anyone buy them?:rolleyes:

I think Chris Jackson cast a critical eye over said automobiles ! :D

[prometheus unbound]

The Great Tuk-Tuk Scam!


http://www.thai-blogs.com/pictures/guest/tuktukscam_01.jpg


After, having talked about the idea for ages and ages, myself and the Webmaster Mr Richard finally got round to seeing for ourselves first-hand just how the cheapo Bangkok Tuk-Tuk scam works.

Up early, adorning the most touristy-looking set of clothing, cap and sunglasses that I could find in my wardrobe, I went to meet Richard before the scam-baiting and discuss our plans. Both of us, having lived in Thailand for donkeys years had read and heard so much about the supposed 10Baht Tuk-Tuk, that it was certainly time to get scammed deliberately just to see how it was for the average unassuming tourist/backpacker.

http://www.bangkokscams.com/undercover/the-great-tuk-tuk-scam.html



:D:D:D

[Sharon]

I think the car-selling farago was on the go earlier than 2000. I'm sure that someone was trying to offload cars that for some odd reason been bought for an election campaign. Either that or I was still on the mailing list in 2000.

Did anyone buy them?:rolleyes:I mentioned 10yrs ago because that was when I joined. If I knew then what I know now, I'd have just kept on walking:) Hindsight is a wonderful thing.

[prometheus unbound]

Someone must have bought some. Two of them have the SOLD sign on in the June/July 2000 Voice of Freedom. Look here;

[ferret]

Only 300 voted with Griffin. How many members are there in the BNP ?


Somewhere in between 8000 and 14000. Difficult to know for sure, Dowson keeps talking up his incredible success and ignores those who leave because of his deception. I am fed up with driving long distances to be lied to and did not attend.

Count the numbers who cut up cards and resign now its a done deal. I can vote BNP as there is no alternative, but thats about it now.

[tyrone]

Ive been down in Peckham today on business and bought hundreds of red crash helmets off a bloke called TROTTER who reckons if i put a white sheet round the helmet they will make me enough money at RWB to buy a cabriolet 4 x 4 Tuk Tuk I can see me now whizzing back in my 4 x 4 at twenty miles an hour with my red crash helmet on singing a Queen song DONT STOP ME NOW,IM HAVING SUCH A GOOD TIME IM HAVING A BALL.

[tyrone]

Somewhere in between 8000 and 14000. Difficult to know for sure, Dowson keeps talking up his incredible success and ignores those who leave because of his deception. I am fed up with driving long distances to be lied to and did not attend.

Count the numbers who cut up cards and resign now its a done deal. I can vote BNP as there is no alternative, but thats about it now.

Independent Nationalists may be the way forward ? Its a long shot but i know many independents that dont like any party whip be it LIB/LAB/CON/UKIP/BNP etc but many indi's ive met over the years were sympathetic towards the BNP over the establishment issue of systematically bullying the party and its members.

Time will tell on this issue but where the BNP has failed was its long term goal to 2010 and the general election ? There should now be at least 300 candidates in the bag last time i looked it was 94 ? We should have been grabbing nationalism round the throat because time is not of the essence and time is definately not on our side ! the support came out last year with a million odd votes and that should have been our wake up call for all systems go ?

But no the party got 2 MEP'S,the party structure changed and to me it was like giving parachutes to elephants from 25,000 feet ? they had to fall and die sooner than later !

[ferret]

Never mind that, look at the percentage of the vote that he got - over 99.97%...

Yes, at the AGM it was put that we needed to vote in favour! Just to give time to go to a general vote. It was understood by many that a NO vote would be the end of the matter at that point and the party would be wound up. It would never get to the members at large. In retrospect it was a deception, later on we were all urged to vote yes at the EOGM. Thats when it looked like a stitch up to me. Its too late now as its a done deal, we need another party thats the BRITISH or even ENGLISH National Party.

[tyrone]

This song reminds of a pub in Hornchurch last sunday R.I.P. BNP xx

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aKm65xLpwIM

[John Maude]

John Maude says "i hope Mrs Singh lets me have one of her bra's"

[Frodo]

John Maude says "i hope Mrs Singh lets me have one of her bra's"


Frodo says "Bev made me sleep in one of them and I'll tell ya it was no better than Bev's knickers"

[Unregistered]

I've been reading these posts for a while now, not knowing whether or not the rumours about Nick Griffin are true or false.
I've only been a member for a few months just before the membership freeze, but I really don't know what to think now.
If there are above 10,000 members, how many were actually invited to vote? All 10.000? I wasn't entitled to vote anyway because I haven't been in the party long enough but were the members who were entitled all offered a postal vote? If there were only 300 votes counted, what do the other BNP members think of the results? are they all happy with this, does anyone know?

[prometheus unbound]

I've been reading these posts for a while now, not knowing whether or not the rumours about Nick Griffin are true or false.
I've only been a member for a few months just before the membership freeze, but I really don't know what to think now.
If there are above 10,000 members, how many were actually invited to vote? All 10.000? I wasn't entitled to vote anyway because I haven't been in the party long enough but were the members who were entitled all offered a postal vote? If there were only 300 votes counted, what do the other BNP members think of the results? are they all happy with this, does anyone know?

An interesting post indeed !

[Unregistered]

When I joined up, I made two donations in the first month and because there were requests for money on a weekly basis, sometimes twice a week!! I started to become suspicious and I did an internet search on other BNP sites. Eventually I found Griffin Watch and that lead me to this forum.
I wonder how many other new members know about all of this?
I've asked questions on the BNP website, I've also made comments that are never printed, because its all very tightly moderated. They only publish the comments that are complimentary.
So I've had enough now, its too depressing.

[Sharon]

I've been reading these posts for a while now, not knowing whether or not the rumours about Nick Griffin are true or false.
I've only been a member for a few months just before the membership freeze, but I really don't know what to think now.
If there are above 10,000 members, how many were actually invited to vote? All 10.000? I wasn't entitled to vote anyway because I haven't been in the party long enough but were the members who were entitled all offered a postal vote? If there were only 300 votes counted, what do the other BNP members think of the results? are they all happy with this, does anyone know?

I haven't heard of a single member being offered a postal vote, but what do you expect from Griffin? He's been breaking the law by proxy all his life. Its just really sad that it takes people years to see what a filthy scumbag he is.

[Unregistered]

Yes, but new members don`t know that do they? If the other members are as mystified by this as I am, whats going to happen to the party?
And what do the others think, like Andrew Brons and Richard Barnbrook etc; cant they get Griffin out?

[mad dog or wolf]

I haven't heard of a single member being offered a postal vote, but what do you expect from Griffin? He's been breaking the law by proxy all his life. Its just really sad that it takes people years to see what a filthy scumbag he is.

Question.

As Nick Griffin as Chairman and not the party is being prosecuted by the Crown? would he would not be entitled to legal aid if so why is he saying that he has /the party has had to pay £12.500 0n legal fees for advice ?.

Question.

He says that the party is described as an illegal entity and can not fight any elections until the Constitution has been changed to accommodate the new legislation so why has the BNP still been able to stand candidates fighting council elections in the last two months?

Question.

So how can the BNP be an illegal party when KNOW such legislation has been passed into law YET to make its constitution unlawful.


KNOW one can be prosecuted until a LAW exists,and that if you have then broken that LAW by your actions, then and only then can a prosecution be brought by the Police for breaking that LAW.

I thought only the BBC and Dictatorships had that kind of power.

fact? NG is deliberately allowing himself to be bullied because it is what he wants.



Just thought I would ask.

[Unregistered]

Am I right in thinking that the BNP has deliberately mislead me here? It sounds as though he had wanted this to happen for a long time. So if I joined a whites only party and paid my membership fee for the year, in theory, I could now ask for my fee back because the party has changed direction and is not the same party that I signed up to.
Considering that this was done without the consent of the full membership and if enough members feel like I do, surely something could be done. Its very undemocratic and Nick Griffin is always attacking other politicians for their lack of democracy. It beggars belief!!

[Sharon]

Yes, but new members don`t know that do they?

But don't you realise that, that is why Griffin is so successful? The BNP is just a revolving door of income. It's the Griffin family business ltd. When you leave someone else will join, and round and round it goes. Time becomes less, and Griffins pockets keep on being filled.

Have you seen the accounts? Do you know where all the Trafalgar money goes? Ditch the BNP, and tell everyone you know to ditch it. Griffin is a dirty little parasite preying on peoples fears.

[Sharon]

Am I right in thinking that the BNP has deliberately mislead me here? It sounds as though he had wanted this to happen for a long time. So if I joined a whites only party and paid my membership fee for the year, in theory, I could now ask for my fee back because the party has changed direction and is not the same party that I signed up to.
Considering that this was done without the consent of the full membership and if enough members feel like I do, surely something could be done. Its very undemocratic and Nick Griffin is always attacking other politicians for their lack of democracy. It beggars belief!!Only if membership is considered a contract. You'd have to seek legal advice, but remember that the first two years in the BNP are probationary, if they don't like the questions you ask they take your money then tell you to f*ck off;)

[tyrone]

When I joined up, I made two donations in the first month and because there were requests for money on a weekly basis, sometimes twice a week!! I started to become suspicious and I did an internet search on other BNP sites. Eventually I found Griffin Watch and that lead me to this forum.
I wonder how many other new members know about all of this?
I've asked questions on the BNP website, I've also made comments that are never printed, because its all very tightly moderated. They only publish the comments that are complimentary.
So I've had enough now, its too depressing.
Good point has anyone noticed on the main website the amount of money suddenly being raised at meetings ? a grand,two grand,three grand ? Now many of us on here have been at meetings in the past that were packed solid but never this amount of money could be raised.Maybe a few lucky lotto winners have now joined ?

[Tactics]

When I joined up, I made two donations in the first month and because there were requests for money on a weekly basis, sometimes twice a week!! I started to become suspicious and I did an internet search on other BNP sites. Eventually I found Griffin Watch and that lead me to this forum.
I wonder how many other new members know about all of this?
I've asked questions on the BNP website, I've also made comments that are never printed, because its all very tightly moderated. They only publish the comments that are complimentary.
So I've had enough now, its too depressing.

Sign up mate, the truth must be told, you are halfway there already.*cheers*

[Riaz Sobrany]

The BNP is just a revolving door of income.

Revolving door is a perfect description. The level of turnover of BNP members is something that Gri££in refuses to address, but why should he, as long as the money rolls in and overall membership figures stays roughly constant.

The problem with most recently recruited members is that they are naive, lack awareness of how the BNP actually functions, think they support Gri££in and his reforms, and consider dissenters as whingeing social inadequates or dinosaur nationalists.

Good point has anyone noticed on the main website the amount of money suddenly being raised at meetings ? a grand,two grand,three grand ? Now many of us on here have been at meetings in the past that were packed solid but never this amount of money could be raised.Maybe a few lucky lotto winners have now joined ?

I've noticed this as well. How many people would seriously contribute more than £20 via cash in a pot? It has made me wonder if there are some well
to do members at these meetings contributing upwards of £100. I have attended numerous political meetings of around 50 to 100 people and no way has more than a couple of hundred quid been raised.

[Tactics]

Good point has anyone noticed on the main website the amount of money suddenly being raised at meetings ? a grand,two grand,three grand ? Now many of us on here have been at meetings in the past that were packed solid but never this amount of money could be raised.Maybe a few lucky lotto winners have now joined ?

It's utter bullshit, watch for the next accounts, these supposed donations won't be proved.

[Tactics]

I didn't actually type fluffy cats, it was more of a bulls arris passing type of thing. R.O.F.L.M.A.O.

[tyrone]

I didn't actually type fluffy cats, it was more of a bulls arris passing type of thing. R.O.F.L.M.A.O.
LOL.
The last few meetings i attended i came down with a rare condition called bucket phobia syndrome and went on to develop a condition called pounds at the bar and pennies in the bucket.

[Seagull]

Last meeting I went to they held an auction for some flip flops. I kid you not :crazy

[Tactics]

Last meeting I went to they held an auction for some flip flops. I kid you not :crazy


Flip flops, you mean they were selling Griffins policy making decisions.:D

[Unregistered]

Good point has anyone noticed on the main website the amount of money suddenly being raised at meetings ? a grand,two grand,three grand ? Now many of us on here have been at meetings in the past that were packed solid but never this amount of money could be raised.Maybe a few lucky lotto winners have now joined ?

It's not real money, it's pledges to sponsor election candidates that will never materialise.

We were pledged about £1200 at our last meeting but no real money changed hands.

[rebel]

Good point has anyone noticed on the main website the amount of money suddenly being raised at meetings ? a grand,two grand,three grand ? Now many of us on here have been at meetings in the past that were packed solid but never this amount of money could be raised.Maybe a few lucky lotto winners have now joined ?

Did you read about the South Birmingham meeting a couple of days ago Tyrone- it seems they raised....wait for it...£3000 at the meeting. Maybe mrbaz has been saving his spare change in a piggy bank.

[prometheus unbound]

At the last Rochdale meeting last week they collected over £600. This also raised a few eyebrows !

[Seagull]

BNP members were hostile to the change

Nick Griffin delights in the flattering comparison, but today's abolition of the BNP's infamous white-only membership restriction was no "Clause 4 moment".
Although he has energetically implemented the presentational modernisation of the BNP ("suits not boots"), he is deeply entrenched in the old ideology. Straight-up ethno-pluralism with a national socialist twist. Rather than leading today's constitutional change, he was dragged reluctantly to the moment, using every dog-ate-my-homework excuse to avoid the EHRC's case to the courts. Nor did he carry his party. His spin-doctors will say it was passed virtually unanimously on the day, but only 100 of the BNP's 14,000 members could be bothered to attend the hastily-organised EGM in a remote East End pub (far from the party's heartland in Yorkshire and the NE). Comment on the BNP's network of blogs has remained hostile, despite a blizzard of begging emails and YouTube presentations from the Leader.

I am alert to the danger that the BNP could become a mainstream popular nationalist party, manipulating the considerable anger and frustration amongst Britain's working classes into success at the ballot box. Certainly there are millions who have bona fide grievances:

* Economic pessimism - jobs that have gone off-shore or to hungrier, better-skilled immigrants, and there remains no hope for something better.
* Cultural dispossession - communities transformed by new-comers; a national climate that stigmatises patriotism and Britain historic achievements.
* Political isolation - politicians that find their issues (immigration, Europe, Islamist terror and law-'n'-order) too toxic to handle and instead focus on swing voters in the heartland of England.

But Griffin does not seem like a man with the political imagination to create a party capable of scoring a significant electoral breakthrough:

* The finances of the party remain shambolic, instigating an on-going inquiry by the Electoral Commission.
* There remains minimal support amongst professionals and intellectuals - a key feature of Continental nationalists like France's Front National and Italy's Forza Nuova.
* Negligible impact in the European Parliament, re-inforcing his post-QT reputation as a bottler.
* A flimsy political manifesto - most of the party's policies are ludicrous and would cost voters on average around £5,000 per head per annum to implement.

The party is flat-lining in the polls down from 4.8% in June 2009 to 1%. Google Trends suggests internet inquiries are back down to pre-QT levels. The puff has gone out of the BNP

This was posted on the Democracy forum by an anti BNP poster. The BNP posters on there got a bit upset. The sad fact is that most of it is true

[Sharon]

But Griffin does not seem like a man with the political imagination to create a party capable of scoring a significant electoral breakthroughGriffin has never had imagination. He only becomes interested in anything when money is at the core. He's like Andy Warhol, a vampire and thief of other peoples ideas.

[Plastic Nationalism]

Okay guys, you've convinced me, Griffin is a sham. If you're happy to accept a new member who's new to Nationalism, I'm happy to join you all.
I'll probably hold an all time record of being the shortest serving member of the BNP.

But don't expect much from me, cos I don't know anywhere near as much as you lot do about Nationalism or the workings of the BNP. Unfortunately I don't know any other new members either, so I've no way of warning them that they're being taken for a ride. I suppose the only way is to promote this forum more?
Sorry about all the questions that I bombarded you with last night. The question now, is where do we go from here? I only joined the BNP because I wanted what's best for this country and now I don't know what to do.
Has anybody formed an action group of ex-members who are trying to get the message out to any of the others?
It would probably end up being a bigger membership than the BNP given time.

[Henry]

So if I joined a whites only party and paid my membership fee for the year, in theory, I could now ask for my fee back because the party has changed direction and is not the same party that I signed up to.


I suggested last summer that BNP members should resign and claim breach of contract against the BNP.

It wouldn't matter if Griffin said that the constitution was unlawful and had to be changed, because it was the BNP who knowingly offered you these 'unlawful' terms in exchange for your money and support.

Resign, then go to the county court and bang in your claims before it's too late. If you wait too long before taking action, the court will say that you've accepted the breach.

Ask for the small claims court which has an award limit of £1000 or 300 cummerbunds, the choice is entirely yours :D

[Sharon]

Okay guys, you've convinced me, Griffin is a sham. If you're happy to accept a new member who's new to Nationalism, I'm happy to join you all.
I'll probably hold an all time record of being the shortest serving member of the BNP.

But don't expect much from me, cos I don't know anywhere near as much as you lot do about Nationalism or the workings of the BNP. Unfortunately I don't know any other new members either, so I've no way of warning them that they're being taken for a ride. I suppose the only way is to promote this forum more?
Sorry about all the questions that I bombarded you with last night. The question now, is where do we go from here? I only joined the BNP because I wanted what's best for this country and now I don't know what to do.
Has anybody formed an action group of ex-members who are trying to get the message out to any of the others?
It would probably end up being a bigger membership than the BNP given time.
You should start here at the link below*hat* Welcome*hat*

http://www.aryanunity.com/WNP/griffinfile1.html

[tyrone]

Did you read about the South Birmingham meeting a couple of days ago Tyrone- it seems they raised....wait for it...£3000 at the meeting. Maybe mrbaz has been saving his spare change in a piggy bank.

Yes i saw the video and it reminded of an all incluslive holiday to mogadishu ? where were the punters ? Arthur Kemp seemed to be talking to himself.

The party must now have its own floating market where the $ is concerned the same as zog as been doing for decades but the bottom fell out.

Take that lot that owned birmingham city football club ! sullivan,gold and brady these slimey zogs bought that club for pittance ripped the heart out of it and sold it for millions,now theyve took over west ham football club and will do the same.Sullivan is a jew from cardiff,brady is a jew from north london and gold is a jew from the east end.

These lot before they made millions on selling birmingham city made sure that clubs that were in debt were made to borrow on the next assumpted 2/3 years season ticket sales knowing full well them clubs are in shite and they can come in and make a way below bid to buy them out.

My point being thats why i never bought a lifetime membership in the BNP because they are in the shite and when someone comes begging with a lifetime opportunity you know they are in the shite.

[tyrone]

I suggested last summer that BNP members should resign and claim breach of contract against the BNP.

It wouldn't matter if Griffin said that the constitution was unlawful and had to be changed, because it was the BNP who knowingly offered you these 'unlawful' terms in exchange for your money and support.

Resign, then go to the county court and bang in your claims before it's too late. If you wait too long before taking action, the court will say that you've accepted the breach.

Ask for the small claims court which has an award limit of £1000 or 300 cummerbunds, the choice is entirely yours :D
Now that Raj has joined the party maybe Darby will see sense ?

Get his balding head shaved ?
Wear Rajinders turban ?
Stop talking cumerbundies ?
Or put a baseball cap on and say im elma thud i hate rabbits but love birds !

[Jaggy Thistle]

I'm perhaps a bit off-track here but please tolerate my ramblings.

Martin Webster once compared the NF's membership turnover to a bath with the taps running but the plug not in. So a lot of people came in but they also went straight out again. The BNP of 2010 looks so similar to the NF that Big Mart was talking of in the 1970's. There are a lot of fired-up types that come in and then just drop-out.

What makes today inferior to then is that at least in the 1970's there were sound guys at the top like JT, and in his way, Webster too, whereas now the whole thing looks like Barnum's circus rather than any kind of principled nationalist party. The legal attack from the EHRC should have been resisted and even if giving in was any kind of tactical retreat then it should have been made clear that non-white members were not being sought and that it was been done under duress.

It's great if some people with dough to spare are coming in to nationalism. I remember when collections at meetings were spartan and our ambitions far outstripped our means. But the important thing is that the new money coming in is used properly!!!!!

[Plastic Nationalism]

I suggested last summer that BNP members should resign and claim breach of contract against the BNP.

It wouldn't matter if Griffin said that the constitution was unlawful and had to be changed, because it was the BNP who knowingly offered you these 'unlawful' terms in exchange for your money and support.

Resign, then go to the county court and bang in your claims before it's too late. If you wait too long before taking action, the court will say that you've accepted the breach.

Ask for the small claims court which has an award limit of £1000 or 300 cummerbunds, the choice is entirely yours :D

I think if there were enough members who did this, it could work and that's exactly what the membership collectively should do. But just one person (me) would never be successful in taking on the likes of the BNP.
Its not the money that I'm concerned about, because fortunately I didn't sign up for the lifetime membership offer. Its just the principle of the thing. I don't know whether accepting ethnics into the party will be a good thing or a bad thing for the party to win more votes, that's not the issue. Its the fact that the BNP took my money, knowing that the party was about to fundamentally change.
One thing I have come to accept from the BNP and that is – you never get a response to any emails that you send them and you can't post comments unless they are to agree and praise Nick Griffin.

[Plastic Nationalism]

You should start here at the link below*hat* Welcome*hat*

http://www.aryanunity.com/WNP/griffinfile1.html

Hi Sharon, thanks for the link its very interesting and such a lot to take in, I'll have to read it again, because some of Nick Griffins past comments are amazing. I was particularly interested in the comments from the lawyer

"The lack of constitutional safeguards against the abuse of disciplinary powers mean that anyone contemplating a challenge, or even questioning the ruling clique's mismanagement of affairs, is likely to be expelled on some specious pretext by a rigged tribunal”.

So basically he can't be challenged because he has it all stitched up.

I was wondering what someone like Andrew Brons thought about all of this, because I always thought that he seemed like a genuine sort of guy, at least that's how he comes across.

[lou minarty]

Does anyone know if this vote is actualy legal and binding? There must be a ruling in the electoral commission or political party rules that determins the minimum percentage of voting party members that can vote to make the outcome of that vote legal and binding. A mere 3 per cent of the membership is not good enough.Is not Griffin infringing the rights of disabled and the poorer party members who cannot afford or are unable to travel to London,by not allowing a postal vote!

[Plastic Nationalism]

Does anyone know if this vote is actualy legal and binding? There must be a ruling in the electoral commission or political party rules that determins the minimum percentage of voting party members that can vote to make the outcome of that vote legal and binding. A mere 3 per cent of the membership is not good enough.Is not Griffin infringing the rights of disabled and the poorer party members who cannot afford or are unable to travel to London,by not allowing a postal vote!

I thought that a postal vote would have been the obvious solution and the right way to go about things.
I assumed that I hadn`t had one because I was a new member and I was astounded when I heard that only 300 people had voted. How can the long term members accept that without question?

[whitehammer]

A guy on another forum.Says he is a member of the bnp and got his letter telling him about the vote on Saturday.24 hours notice is not quite long enough to organize a 200 mile plus trip to vote.

[Sharon]

Does anyone know if this vote is actualy legal and binding? There must be a ruling in the electoral commission or political party rules that determins the minimum percentage of voting party members that can vote to make the outcome of that vote legal and binding. A mere 3 per cent of the membership is not good enough.Is not Griffin infringing the rights of disabled and the poorer party members who cannot afford or are unable to travel to London,by not allowing a postal vote!I've made a few calls to make sure the word is getting out to members;)

[Sharon]

How can the long term members accept that without question?Because if they don't accept it they get thrown out, lied about, and his scummy little minions being paid by the EU try to ruin your life for you. Look on the bright side, at least Griffin isn't running the country. Can you imagine it if he did?

[Ian]

Griffin has never had imagination. He only becomes interested in anything when money is at the core. He's like Andy Warhol, a vampire and thief of other peoples ideas.

That's not entirely true. Griffin has shown imagination in the past. In the late 1990s, when taken in for questioning by the Welsh police on article publishing matters, he used a personal stereo to record the interview, not illegal at the time. He then published this on cassette. It was like a Monty Python sketch in parts. Of course there was a money angle; he charged £7 a tape. It was an imaginative thing to do.

Also Sharon, I remember you raising the question why so many nationalist men don't have children, as if there was some inherent failing in nationalist males. I think it was you asking that, and another made associated comment. Well, Mr. Griffin has been married for years, and has four offspring. So he's not one of the implied inadequates.

It's an interesting image, Warhol as a vampire. He did seem to live a lot of his life in the night hours. Nick Griffin probably goes to bed quite early, compared to Warhol types.

[Unregistered]

Griffin's capitulation to the EHRC has started to affect our paper sales. We have had a number of people cancel their VOF because they claim that the BNP no longer represents them.

This would be a good time for somebody to mount a leadership challenge. If Chris Jackson had stayed in the party and made another bid for leadership he might have won this time.

[Unregistered]

Griffin's capitulation to the EHRC has started to affect our paper sales. We have had a number of people cancel their VOF because they claim that the BNP no longer represents them.

This would be a good time for somebody to mount a leadership challenge. If Chris Jackson had stayed in the party and made another bid for leadership he might have won this time.
Ive had a few people call me to say they have thrown their membership in the bin.

[Plastic Nationalism]

Because if they don't accept it they get thrown out, lied about, and his scummy little minions being paid by the EU try to ruin your life for you. Look on the bright side, at least Griffin isn't running the country. Can you imagine it if he did?

In the unlikely event that Nick griffin ever became prime minister (god help us all):

Parliament would lock him out
The queen would refuse to meet him
Riots would break out in all the major cities
The economy would go into meltdown

And that's just in the first hour!! :D

But seriously, this election could have been the biggest opportunity that the BNP have ever had if it hadn't been for the party leadership destroying its chances. I doubt if they'll ever get this opportunity again and the only positive thing that I can find to say about Nick Griffin at this moment in time, is that he does manage to put a little bit of pressure on Labour, as the comments from Margaret Hodge, last week revealed.
But then he ruins the party reputation again, by placing the loser Mark (sic) Collett to stand against David (sic) Blunkett, how mad it that?? Something else that infuriated me.

[tyrone]

Maybe mr baz might like to come on and open a debate about the way he has killed groups and branches ? come on BAZ LIGHTENING you feeble person you know we clocked you sometime ago but to use a dead mans name in honour is below of the below.Open up a debate on here about how well east birmingham is doing ? No you wont you cowardist piece of shit.Give my regards to jerry and sonia and look out for the gable.sending texts to a kids phone mr baz that is your way of scaring people ? That chip now belongs to a 14 year old child yes 14 ! you useless piece of shit ,you want a response your not going to get it ? because you are sending texts to a childs mobile feckin weirdo and pervert,you scab left wing infiltrator.

[Unregistered]

In the unlikely event that Nick griffin ever became prime minister (god help us all):

Parliament would lock him out
The queen would refuse to meet him
Riots would break out in all the major cities
The economy would go into meltdown

And that's just in the first hour!! :D

But seriously, this election could have been the biggest opportunity that the BNP have ever had if it hadn't been for the party leadership destroying its chances. I doubt if they'll ever get this opportunity again and the only positive thing that I can find to say about Nick Griffin at this moment in time, is that he does manage to put a little bit of pressure on Labour, as the comments from Margaret Hodge, last week revealed.
But then he ruins the party reputation again, by placing the loser Mark (sic) Collett to stand against David (sic) Blunkett, how mad it that?? Something else that infuriated me.

Thats what griffin always does, ruin the partys reputation by appointing people from dodgy backgrounds and constantly being assiociated with extreme political figures from across the globe, just so the press can attack the BNP with another lunatic link story. griffin has been involved with nationalist politics for over 35 years and he has learnt nothing. You have to squeeky clean in this line of business, but griffin invariably snuggles up close to people that most normal people wouldnt be seen dead with. If you want to to get ahead of the game and win over the voters who are sympathetic to nationalist policies you have to be seen as a viable choice. my own conclusion is griffin is stopping the party from reaching its potential by his consistant incompetance and dubious apointments of key officials with unsavoury backgrounds that always bring the BNP into negative media stories.

[Sharon]

my own conclusion is griffin is stopping the party from reaching its potential by his consistant incompetance and dubious apointments of key officials with unsavoury backgrounds that always bring the BNP into negative media stories.I disagree and believe it to be one of three scenarios.

1...He does what he does to keep the party small, and him in control. This gives him a large income and ensures no one is able to challenge his power.

2...He does what he does for the state to ensure a safety valve for dissent, and to earn a very large income.

3...He does what he does to ensure the rise to power of the Tories every time they fall from grace, and it gives him a very large income.

Of course it could be that its a combination of all three:)

[tyrone]

What Tactics said the other day,This woke my eyes up ? reasons i wont go into but why ? god will only now.Bless those people in a stupid civil war.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YGmZMOOHhLU

[Unregistered]

2...He does what he does for the state to ensure a safety valve for dissent, and to earn a very large income.



Maybe the state bailed him out when his secondhand car business went bankrupt and they now control him. That seems likely.

[Ian]

Plastic Nationalism, you said you only recently joined nationalism. I'm not sure that you have the standing to say the things you have about Mr. Griffin, not with any authority.

Sharon seems to consider Griffin acting in completely bad faith with the BNP.

My own opinion is that Griffin is generally sincere, but has one failing and one weakness. The failing is money. Griffin would not be set up in a sexual scam, but he might be in a financial one. A briefcase of used banknotes on a table in a hotel room, might well influence Nick Griffin. The weakness is his seeming need to surround himself with easily influenced characters. Perhaps he feels insecure with strong dynamic people.

[Plastic Nationalism]

Plastic Nationalism, you said you only recently joined nationalism. I'm not sure that you have the standing to say the things you have about Mr. Griffin, not with any authority.

Sharon seems to consider Griffin acting in completely bad faith with the BNP.

My own opinion is that Griffin is generally sincere, but has one failing and one weakness. The failing is money. Griffin would not be set up in a sexual scam, but he might be in a financial one. A briefcase of used banknotes on a table in a hotel room, might well influence Nick Griffin. The weakness is his seeming need to surround himself with easily influenced characters. Perhaps he feels insecure with strong dynamic people.

Yes, I hear what you're saying and this is one of the major problems with the BNP – unless you happen to be a long standing member, shut up and keep your opinions to yourself. But as I see it, I don't really need any authority to give my opinions, I see what I see and placing Mark Collett back on the front line can only end in disaster.

If you are right and Nick Griffin does feel insecure about strong dynamic people, that in itself, will get the party nowhere. The party needs more competent leaders rather than followers, that's exactly what they are short of.

If my opinions are not welcome on this forum and I am told to leave, I will do so.

[Sharon]

Yes, I hear what you're saying and this is one of the major problems with the BNP – unless you happen to be a long standing member, shut up and keep your opinions to yourself. But as I see it, I don't really need any authority to give my opinions, I see what I see and placing Mark Collett back on the front line can only end in disaster.

If you are right and Nick Griffin does feel insecure about strong dynamic people, that in itself, will get the party nowhere. The party needs more competent leaders rather than followers, that's exactly what they are short of.

If my opinions are not welcome on this forum and I am told to leave, I will do so.
Has someone asked you to leave:confused:

I agree, the party does need competent people, but Griffin won't allow it, and if he spots one, he gets rid of em pretty sharpish.

[Plastic Nationalism]

Has someone asked you to leave:confused:

I agree, the party does need competent people, but Griffin won't allow it, and if he spots one, he gets rid of em pretty sharpish.

No, I haven't been asked to leave, but I'm well aware of the negative feelings towards new members and I don't want to cause any problems. I think there are enough already. :)

[Sharon]

No, I haven't been asked to leave, but I'm well aware of the negative feelings towards new members and I don't want to cause any problems. I think there are enough already. :)I sincerely hope you won't be shown any negative feelings, but give as good as you take, is my motto;)

[Tactics]

No, I haven't been asked to leave, but I'm well aware of the negative feelings towards new members and I don't want to cause any problems. I think there are enough already. :)


Welcome to the forum, I wouldn't say that there is overall negative feelings towards new members.


Have a look here for more info. on Griffin/his cronies and how he goes about things:

www.griffinwatch-nwn.blogspot.com

[dave]

Welcome to this forum, Plastic Nationalism.

[Plastic Nationalism]

Thanks for the welcome, *hat*

[whitehammer]

The Great Tuk-Tuk Scam!


http://www.thai-blogs.com/pictures/guest/tuktukscam_01.jpg


After, having talked about the idea for ages and ages, myself and the Webmaster Mr Richard finally got round to seeing for ourselves first-hand just how the cheapo Bangkok Tuk-Tuk scam works.

Up early, adorning the most touristy-looking set of clothing, cap and sunglasses that I could find in my wardrobe, I went to meet Richard before the scam-baiting and discuss our plans. Both of us, having lived in Thailand for donkeys years had read and heard so much about the supposed 10Baht Tuk-Tuk, that it was certainly time to get scammed deliberately just to see how it was for the average unassuming tourist/backpacker.

http://www.bangkokscams.com/undercover/the-great-tuk-tuk-scam.html



:D:D:DWho is the edl chap driving.answers on a post card

[mad dog or wolf]

Yes, I hear what you're saying and this is one of the major problems with the BNP – unless you happen to be a long standing member, shut up and keep your opinions to yourself. But as I see it, I don't really need any authority to give my opinions, I see what I see and placing Mark Collett back on the front line can only end in disaster.

If you are right and Nick Griffin does feel insecure about strong dynamic people, that in itself, will get the party nowhere. The party needs more competent leaders rather than followers, that's exactly what they are short of.

If my opinions are not welcome on this forum and I am told to leave, I will do so.

Welcome to the forum, Plastic Nationalism I think you will be amongst friends.

[ferret]

Well that's it, I am resigning my membership. Its with some regret, I have made many pals in the last six years but enough is enough.

Control of the party is now in the hands of intellectual pygmies paying big salaries and silly fines out of my contributions.

The wrong people have been sacked or got rid of. Dowson, the lying snake oil sales man has wrought havoc in and behind the scenes.

Brin Jenkins, ex Cornwall Organiser and energy spokesman.

[Sharon]

Well that's it, I am resigning my membership. Its with some regret, I have made many pals in the last six years but enough is enough.

Control of the party is now in the hands of intellectual pygmies paying big salaries and silly fines out of my contributions.

The wrong people have been sacked or got rid of. Dowson, the lying snake oil sales man has wrought havoc in and behind the scenes.

Brin Jenkins, ex Cornwall Organiser and energy spokesman.The BNP is earning Dowson and the Griffin family a fortune;)

[Unregistered]

at last a man of principle. time now for peter lucas , peter mullins , jeremy w , j-b-taylor, andy edwards to stand united behind Brin. UNITED WE STAND!

[Unregistered]

at last a man of principle. time now for peter lucas , peter mullins , jeremy w , j-b-taylor, andy edwards to stand united behind Brin. UNITED WE STAND!

Pricks on other forums will be shouting MOLES quicker than jasper carrot can get his shotgun out. The BNP now reminds of the film goodfellas ? Its run by pricks who think they are untouchables robbing and ripping people off but as al capone once said they always get you on the money.

[Tactics]

Well that's it, I am resigning my membership. Its with some regret, I have made many pals in the last six years but enough is enough.

Control of the party is now in the hands of intellectual pygmies paying big salaries and silly fines out of my contributions.

The wrong people have been sacked or got rid of. Dowson, the lying snake oil sales man has wrought havoc in and behind the scenes.

Brin Jenkins, ex Cornwall Organiser and energy spokesman.

I know, it's sickening what has been/is being done to the party, you have made the right decision, please don't give up on nationalism, we ARE getting there despite some of the recent knockbacks.

We will have our day, of that I'm sure.

Regards Sean.

[Aelfgifu]

at last a man of principle. time now for peter lucas , peter mullins , jeremy w , j-b-taylor, andy edwards to stand united behind Brin. UNITED WE STAND!

Resigning from this tin pot dictatorship of a party is fast becoming a badge of honour. Brin Jenkins is an honourable man and has now joined the ranks of intelligent, able and decent people who have finally had enough of the racketeering double act of Griffin and Dowson. Well done Brin. I sincerely hope Peter M, Peter L, Joan B-T and Jeremy W follow your estimable example and disassociate themselves from the party, at least while Griffin and Dowson are running the show.

[Unregistered]

Resigning from this tin pot dictatorship of a party is fast becoming a badge of honour. Brin Jenkins is an honourable man and has now joined the ranks of intelligent, able and decent people who have finally had enough of the racketeering double act of Griffin and Dowson. Well done Brin. I sincerely hope Peter M, Peter L, Joan B-T and Jeremy W follow your estimable example and disassociate themselves from the party, at least while Griffin and Dowson are running the show.

you didn't mention andy edwards. Is he not going to resign?

[Unregistered]

well done, but why do you stand alone? where are your fellow nationalists who said 'we will all walk out'? if this is the measure of OUR resolve,all is lost. andy edwards talks a good game and makes the balls that braver men fire. DISGUSTED.

[Aelfgifu]

you didn't mention andy edwards. Is he not going to resign?

Sorry. Oversight on my part. Mass resignations nationwide are needed to rid the party of Griffin and his creatures. Then hopefully a clean and honest leader will emerge from the shadows.

If Griffin truly is the only leader possible among the thousands of members, then it doesn't say much for the calibre of the membership.

[Sharon]

If Griffin truly is the only leader possible among the thousands of members, then it doesn't say much for the calibre of the membership.Griffin gets rid of anyone with talent so that he keeps control.

[Plastic Nationalism]

Just out of interest, who will you all be voting for in the GE?

I haven`t a clue whether to still vote BNP or not vote at all. Its a strange situation - I want them to do well and I don`t want them to do well. :confused:

[dave]

Not sure if the BNP are standing in my part of Liverpool. So I shall vote for the.........

I'll have a think.

[Sharon]

Just out of interest, who will you all be voting for in the GE?

I haven`t a clue whether to still vote BNP or not vote at all. Its a strange situation - I want them to do well and I don`t want them to do well. :confused:

I'm voting tactically and voting Labour:) I would urge others to do the same.
If the Tories get in the public will be lulled into thinking change is just around the corner and another 5yrs will be wasted. If Labour get in they will continue to sh*t all over Britain. Nationalism cannot win without Labour.

[Aelfgifu]

Just out of interest, who will you all be voting for in the GE?

I haven`t a clue whether to still vote BNP or not vote at all. Its a strange situation - I want them to do well and I don`t want them to do well. :confused:

I'd say, where possible vote for an independent. They're the only ones the EU has no block control over. *No thanks*

[Sharon]

I'd say, where possible vote for an independent. They're the only ones the EU has no block control over. *No thanks*IMO that would be a wasted vote that will allow a hung parliament, or the Tories in. If the Tories get in Nationalism is finished. People no longer have the luxury of principles, unless they want to take them to the grave.

[Unregistered]

IMO that would be a wasted vote that will allow a hung parliament, or the Tories in. If the Tories get in Nationalism is finished. People no longer have the luxury of principles, unless they want to take them to the grave.

You're completely wrong, we need the Tories to win the next General Election. People need to see for themselves that the Tories and Labour are as bad as each other.

Only then will the voters turn to the BNP or UKIP in sufficiently large numbers.

[Unregistered]

Do you know what sarcasm is?

BNP monthly bulletin
MEMBERS ONLY

February 2010

A PROUD DAY FOR OUR GREAT PARTY: OUR FIRST ETHNIC MEMBER

Fellow Patriots;

As our GREAT PARTY adapts and adjusts to the new Membership Rules FORCED UPON US by the snivelling, cowardly, Marxist LibLabCon Elite, I'm PROUD to announce that we are preparing to WELCOME (in a manner of speaking) our FIRST ETHNIC MEMBER.

This gentleman, whose name is long and unpronounceable – and certainly impossible to SPELL!- has long been a friend to our BAND OF BROTHERS, and will, I'm sure, prove himself a MOST USEFUL MARKETING TOOL in our EPIC STRUGGLE against the FORCES OF DARKNESS, motivated, as he is, by A LOVE OF HIS (or OUR) COUNTRY, allied to a good degree of identity confusion, a profound lack of intelligence and a murderous hatred of Islam.

Of course, we must remember now (because we've conveniently forgotten before) the DEBT OF GRATITUDE owed by OUR GREAT NATION to Ethnics who, in time of war, have RALLIED TO THE BANNER!

One such HERO was the great Amin Al Husseini who, in 1941, during our darkest days, travelled from his dusty homeland to JOIN THE FIGHT against THE SPREADING DARKNESS.

Eventually, Mr Al Husseini MADE HIS MARK in history by recruiting THOUSANDS of his fellow countrymen to the Cause, forming units who served WITH DISTINCTION in North Africa, the Balkans and Eastern Europe.

WE COULD DO WITH A FEW MORE LIKE AMIN AL HUSSEINI

Nick Griffin
Party Chairman

[Sharon]

You're completely wrong, we need the Tories to win the next General Election. People need to see for themselves that the Tories and Labour are as bad as each other.

Only then will the voters turn to the BNP or UKIP in sufficiently large numbers.DON'T BE SO EFFIN DAFT:rolleyes:The Tories are perfectly poised to blame EVERYTHING over the next 4 yrs on the ineptitude of Labour. The Tories will be blameless, and you don't have those 4 to 5 yrs to waste. If nationalism doesn't make massive ground in this years and next years locals, you can go home and wait to die. The game will be over. You need the Labour party in government, and you need to concentrate on the locals.

[Plastic Nationalism]

DON'T BE SO EFFIN DAFT:rolleyes:The Tories are perfectly poised to blame EVERYTHING over the next 4 yrs on the ineptitude of Labour. The Tories will be blameless, and you don't have those 4 to 5 yrs to waste. If nationalism doesn't make massive ground in this years and next years locals, you can go home and wait to die. The game will be over. You need the Labour party in government, and you need to concentrate on the locals.

I agree, but I can see good points and bad points from both sides.

I think the Tories are going to win, but not with a large majority and they are going to blame everything that goes wrong and every policy that hurts the public, on the mess that Labour have left behind.
I think they will cap immigration just to appease the public for a while, but as far as the EU is concerned, they will do nothing and they will tell us that they are powerless against the Lisbon Treaty, again due to the Labour government signing away all of our rights.
I also think there`s a possibility that UKIP will disband once the Tories win. Which may be good news for the BNP (if they manage to get rid of Griffin).

But if the Tories lose, they will get rid of Cameron and replace him with someone like Haigh again. Cameron is disliked now, both within the Tory party and with the public alike, so what`s it going to be like when hes in charge? I can`t see him lasting long anyway.

Labour should be left with all the mess. The public are not going to turn to Nationalism until its the only hope left and Labour is more likely to ensure that this happens. *cheers*

[Henry]

I'm voting tactically and voting Labour:) I would urge others to do the same.
If the Tories get in the public will be lulled into thinking change is just around the corner and another 5yrs will be wasted. If Labour get in they will continue to sh*t all over Britain. Nationalism cannot win without Labour.

And do you think that Labour will recognise your gesture as a tactical vote?

Actually, they'll simply take your vote as a vote of support for what they are doing.

Labour, Lib-Dem or Conservative: Whoever is elected will continue to destroy this country, but they will do it without my vote.

I'd sooner saw my own hand off before I'd vote for something I didn't believe in.

[Riaz Sobrany]

The effectiveness of the candidate (not party!!!) you vote for depends on your constituency. About 150 constituencies are the battleground that are fought between Labour and Conservative. A smaller number (around 30) are fought between the Lib-Dems, SNP, PC, BNP, Greens, and independents vs either Labour or the Conservatives. The remainder are safe seats that are unlikely to change hands. I live in a rock solid Tory constituency that will almost certainly return a Tory MP. If you live in a safe seat then vote for whoever you support rather than waste your vote on an establishment candidate who won't win.

[Sharon]

And do you think that Labour will recognise your gesture as a tactical vote?

Actually, they'll simply take your vote as a vote of support for what they are doing.

Labour, Lib-Dem or Conservative: Whoever is elected will continue to destroy this country, but they will do it without my vote.

I'd sooner saw my own hand off before I'd vote for something I didn't believe in.

Sorry Henry, but I will vote Labour in the GE and nationalist in the locals if I have a candidate.

There is no time left for principles, and many believe it's too late already.
I'd rather leave Labour poison in place than give the Tories the opportunity to waste even more time.

[Henry]

Sorry Henry, but I will vote Labour in the GE and nationalist in the locals if I have a candidate.

There is no time left for principles, and many believe it's too late already.
I'd rather leave Labour poison in place than give the Tories the opportunity to waste even more time.

And I'm sorry Sharon but I'm only interested in logic, nothing to do with 'principle'.

It is a statistical fact that the logical consequence of voting for any party, is that you, for whatever reason, become a supporter of that party when you vote for it.

And any party would be delighted to take your type of support throughout the election...the more 'protest' votes the merrier, they'd say.

[Sharon]

And I'm sorry Sharon but I'm only interested in logic, nothing to do with 'principle'.

It is a statistical fact that the logical consequence of voting for any party, is that you, for whatever reason, become a supporter of that party when you vote for it.

And any party would be delighted to take your type of support throughout the election...the more 'protest' votes the merrier, they'd say.If Labour get back in we have a chance, if the Tories get in we have no chance, if there is a hung parliament the country will be bankrupted to the Wall Street operators.

[Henry]

If Labour get back in we have a chance, if the Tories get in we have no chance, if there is a hung parliament the country will be bankrupted to the Wall Street operators.

What chance?

You've just seen the collapse of the entire system of of Dutch finance, and no one gives a f'uck - It's as though it never happened.

Documents have been released showing the genocidal intents of Labour ministers, and no one gives a f'uck - It's as though it never happened.

There's a new poster on here (I won't name him/her) who is talking about the chances of the BNP in the sense that the BNP might still provide some hope for 'nationalism' despite the fact that the BNP has publicly capitulated. That poster clearly doesn't give a f'uck - Again, it's as though it never happened.

You won't get any better chances than what's just passed.

How can you spend your time on here trying to persuade other people of the folly of voting Labour (or for any of the others) when you then tell them that you yourself are going to provide the very vote to Labour that you've asked others to withhold?

[Sharon]

What chance?

You've just seen the collapse of the entire system of of Dutch finance, and no one gives a f'uck - It's as though it never happened.

Documents have been released showing the genocidal intents of Labour ministers, and no one gives a f'uck - It's as though it never happened.

There's a new poster on here (I won't name him/her) who is talking about the chances of the BNP in the sense that the BNP might still provide some hope for 'nationalism' despite the fact that the BNP has publicly capitulated. That poster clearly doesn't give a f'uck - Again, it's as though it never happened.

You won't get any better chances than what's just passed.

How can you spend your time on here trying to persuade other people of the folly of voting Labour (or for any of the others) when you then tell them that you yourself are going to provide the very vote to Labour that you've asked others to withhold?I'll do as the rest of Britain, and do nothing then...

[JiB]

Enough people not voting, or better still spoiling your vote chit, is an option and one that is measured and one that sends a stark message to 'them up there'.

PS Think twice about voting Labour Sharon. I'm still hurting for voting 'EEC' because Heath talked me into it. :oPPS. And that was the only time I ever voted in the UK.

[Sharon]

Enough people not voting, or better still spoiling your vote chit, is an option and one that is measured and one that sends a stark message to 'them up there'.

PS Think twice about voting Labour Sharon. I'm still hurting for voting 'EEC' because Heath talked me into it. :oPPS. And that was the only time I ever voted in the UK.

I wouldn't vote Labour because I like them, I'd vote Labour because nationalism only advances while they're in power. If the Tories get in...........Remember the NF?

[Plastic Nationalism]

What chance?


There's a new poster on here (I won't name him/her) who is talking about the chances of the BNP in the sense that the BNP might still provide some hope for 'nationalism' despite the fact that the BNP has publicly capitulated. That poster clearly doesn't give a f'uck - Again, it's as though it never happened.



I live in a Tory area. The Tories will always get in where I live, it makes no difference who I vote for. I wouldn't vote for Cameron's progressive party if they were my one and only option left, I'd rather ruin my ballot paper. I may have an independent who will be worth voting for, I'm not sure yet. I may even have an English Democrat candidate and that might be worth a vote.

I am not supporting the BNP in any way at all, I am hoping that one day the party will be under new management and I can return to it. We are never going to get an all white Britain, immigration has gone way too far and I wish hard line Nationalists would just accept that. We can only discourage non EU immigrants from settling here by altering the benefits system, stopping the planning of any further mosques, banning Sharia and rooting out the radicals, in short, making life less appealing and encouraging the Islamofascists to move out.
My argument with my BNP membership, is that Griffin had obviously already known that he intended to allow ethnics into the party before I signed up and if he had been honest about his plan, I wouldn't have had any problem with that and could have formed my own decision.
I'm annoyed at the very strange voting system that he pushed through to allow ethnics into the party. I'm annoyed at the party membership leaks online, late accounts, the dubious accounts leaked online, website attacks that apparently never happened, but members were asked to send funds, brochures badly designed and immature, begging letters that read and look like they come from a double glazing salesman, Griffins pathetic performance on TV, Mark Collett put up as a candidate, no reply to emails, constant money making scams...so many things wrong with the party and I could probably go on and on if I thought about it long enough.

The NF may be the only true Nationalist party with principles, but they are never going to appeal to the average UK voter, so what are you advocating and where is your logic Henry? Labour are destroying the country and if that's what it takes for people to wake up, it may eventually work in our favour. Or do you want another 12 years of Tory government and then back to Labour again?

[prometheus unbound]

The NF may be the only true Nationalist party with principles, but they are never going to appeal to the average UK voter, so what are you advocating and where is your logic Henry? Labour are destroying the country and if that's what it takes for people to wake up, it may eventually work in our favour. Or do you want another 12 years of Tory government and then back to Labour again?

Our best results occured before you became involved in nationalism apparently.

Before Griffin changed the direction of the party.

It happened in places like Burnley by people like Steve Smith of Burnley.

Steve hasn't changed his policies the policies that won 8 BNP Councillors. Steve is now in the NF.

Why can't nationalist policies win , they did before Griffin knackered it all up ?

[Seagull]

I wouldn't vote Labour because I like them, I'd vote Labour because nationalism only advances while they're in power. If the Tories get in...........Remember the NF?

These bunch of tories are not like the old brigade. There is not a lot of difference between them and labour. Both are funded by big business and support neo liberal economics. I don't forsee a rerun of 1979. UKIP knocking out the BNP would see its collapse.

[Tactics]

The more people that spoil the ballot paper the better, this sends out a clear message to the establishment, along with the message sent by those that don't bother to vote at all.

If you vote for anyone, it legitimises the very system (supposed democracy), that dumps on you every single day and twice on a Sunday.

Why do you think Griffin makes so much money? Because he fools the membership into thinking voting works and paying towards this very flawed system.

The fact that he only spends 8% of the money donated on voting anyway shows that he himself knows that voting doesn't work and he creams off the other 92% for himself and his cronies.

With all of the evidence that has been presented, why can't people see this?

[Henry]

The NF may be the only true Nationalist party with principles, but they are never going to appeal to the average UK voter, so what are you advocating and where is your logic Henry? Labour are destroying the country and if that's what it takes for people to wake up, it may eventually work in our favour. Or do you want another 12 years of Tory government and then back to Labour again?

It is your sense of logic which is at fault.

You say that Labour is destroying the country yet you propose that people should vote for them in the hope that if things get worse sooner, rather than later, white Britain might get off its collective lard arse, and start to fight back.

Well 13 years of Labour destruction hasn't awakened the sleeping masses from their somnambulism, yet the damage wrought has been terrible. Nor has it improved the nationalist position in Britain one jot.

Yes, there is still be a party called the BNP with two Euro MPs more than it had 13 years ago. However, it cannot be considered a nationalist party, and I doubt if it ever was under Griffin's leadership..

You seem to forget that no matter who attains office this project will continue on its course unabated and change for the worse will still be the order of the day. Or do you think that the Tories are somehow less inclined to follow the rest of the western world down this path?

I would never recommend voting for Tory, Lab or Lib-Dem, but it does seem to me that having seen the total lack of opposition to the many anti-British laws introduced by Labour, that a less rapid rate of change under the Tories might prove to be of greater benefit to our cause; knowing that Labour will, if given the chance, legislate every last one of us behind bars as race haters, before it ever considers that we have a right to develop an effective opposition.

At the last general election Labour was returned to office by 22% of the eligible vote, which is a result that makes a mockery of their mandate to govern, and lowering this figure even further is what nationalists should be doing, not increasing Labours percentage of the vote.

Statistically, 8/10 of people eligible to vote at the last election chose, for a variety of reasons, not to vote for the party that formed the government, and I want to see the next government rejected by 9/10 of the electorate.

Rejection by voters is what the politicians fear most because it de-legitimizes their purpose and undermines their system. They do not fear 'tactical' votes cast in their favour.

I repeat: The current system is bankrupt and can no longer support the three main parties, so they'll take your 'tactical' and 'protest' votes all day, every day; and the more the merrier.

Telling nationalists to vote Labour, is like telling people with cancer to increase their tobacco intake in the forlorn hope that a lot more of what is killing them, will somehow make them better.

[Plastic Nationalism]

Our best results occured before you became involved in nationalism apparently.

Before Griffin changed the direction of the party.

It happened in places like Burnley by people like Steve Smith of Burnley.

Steve hasn't changed his policies the policies that won 8 BNP Councillors. Steve is now in the NF.

Why can't nationalist policies win , they did before Griffin knackered it all up ?

You are referring to a time before Blair opened the floodgates and turned us into a multicultural hell hole. You can't blame that on Griffin. But I observe him now and realise how much he relishes the prospects of admitting ethnics into the party as he sees it as his opportunity for further advancement and personal riches. He is a career politician and its ironic how he criticises the other party leaders for being the same.

If the NF ever advance and become as much a threat as the BNP have become, they will also be under attack from Harriet Harmans new social order and will be ordered to conform or closed down. They may fight back, but ultimately they will have to conform.

I would prefer the BNP to be whites only, I would prefer the country to be whites only, I would prefer to pull out of Afghanistan and pull out of the EU, but it's not going to happen. I am a Nationalist, but I'm also a realist.
The country won't turn to any form of Nationalism until something really drastic happens.

[Plastic Nationalism]

It is your sense of logic which is at fault.

Telling nationalists to vote Labour, is like telling people with cancer to increase their tobacco intake in the forlorn hope that a lot more of what is killing them, will somehow make them better.

I`m not telling anybody to vote Labour Henry, all I`m saying is that Labour will help along the Nationalist cause far better than the Tories will. Look how Hodge and Balls have been forced to send out questionnaires on immigration. They know they`ve pushed their luck too far and panic has set in.
I can`t remember the actual percentage of non voters in the last election but it was very high and this voter apathy is allowing Labour to continue. So if you don`t vote you may as well be voting Labour and if you do vote, you have to vote for a smaller party, which again, may be letting Labour back in.
Its a lose, lose situation.

[Henry]

:confused:I`m not telling anybody to vote Labour Henry, all I`m saying is that Labour will help along the Nationalist cause far better than the Tories will.

But you are contradicting yourself.

Above you say:

'I`m not telling anybody to vote Labour Henry, all I`m saying is that Labour will help along the Nationalist cause far better than the Tories will..'

Yet you also say:

'If the NF ever advance and become as much a threat as the BNP have become, they will also be under attack from Harriet Harmans new social order and will be ordered to conform or closed down. They may fight back, but ultimately they will have to conform.'

That seems to be in agreement with my position here:

'I would never recommend voting for Tory, Lab or Lib-Dem, but it does seem to me that having seen the total lack of opposition to the many anti-British laws introduced by Labour, that a less rapid rate of change under the Tories might prove to be of greater benefit to our cause; knowing that Labour will, if given the chance, legislate every last one of us behind bars as race haters, before it ever considers that we have a right to develop an effective opposition.'

So contradictions apart, what is your real position?

You say if Labour get in it will be better for nationalists but you also acknowledge that as nationalists under Labour..'ultimately they will have to conform.'

As I have said, your logic is at fault.

[ferret]

No, I haven't been asked to leave, but I'm well aware of the negative feelings towards new members and I don't want to cause any problems. I think there are enough already. :)

No I don't see negative feelings like that, some folk are a bit more outspoken, and may be a bit colorful, but I am a new boy here too. I lurked for a while, giving bnp managment time to clean up thier idiocy.

[Sharon]

I'm also a realist.
The country won't turn to any form of Nationalism until something really drastic happens.I agree, but on the premise that the majority would only turn to nationalism under dire circumstances PROVES the public DO NOT WANT nationalism.

[Plastic Nationalism]

:confused:

But you are contradicting yourself.

You say if Labour get in it will be better for nationalists but you also acknowledge that as nationalists under Labour..'ultimately they will have to conform.'

As I have said, your logic is at fault.

If Labour continue to force their agenda on all Nationalist parties. The public will eventually see that Labour have become a dictatorship and that in turn, is good for Nationalism don`t you think?

[Plastic Nationalism]

I agree, but on the premise that the majority would only turn to nationalism under dire circumstances PROVES the public DO NOT WANT nationalism.

They don`t want Nationalism, that is obvious. But I think things are slowly changing and Nationalists need to be united and ready to act. Problem is we are anything but :(

[Henry]

If Labour continue to force their agenda on all Nationalist parties. The public will eventually see that Labour have become a dictatorship and that in turn, is good for Nationalism don`t you think?

The dictatorship is international finance and other associated/affiliated parties.

Tory, Liberal or Labour, it doesn't matter. they are merely instruments of the dictatorship.

You don't really believe that a fat dunce like John Prescott was ever in a position to run this country do you?

[Seagull]

I agree, but on the premise that the majority would only turn to nationalism under dire circumstances PROVES the public DO NOT WANT nationalism.

I think its more the case that the population has been dumbed down to such a level that the only thing that people want is a diet of celeb tv. the latest gadgets, porn, drugs and booze.

If you look at the 70's and how people were politicaly motivated whether left ot right to now. One word apathy. Even the UAf with all their free travel can only muster a handful of people. This country is sleep walking into a nightmare.

[Plastic Nationalism]

The dictatorship is international finance and other associated/affiliated parties.

Tory, Liberal or Labour, it doesn't matter. they are merely instruments of the dictatorship.

You don't really believe that a fat dunce like John Prescott was ever in a position to run this country do you?

I agree totally, but the public will be lulled into a false sense of security with the Tories, at least for a while. People will be willing to give them a fair chance and by the time they find out that they are another pro EU party, they will turn back to Labour (who will have reinvented themselves again) and so the revolving door continues...

[Sharon]

I agree totally, but the public will be lulled into a false sense of security with the Tories, at least for a while. People will be willing to give them a fair chance and by the time they find out that they are another pro EU party, they will turn back to Labour (who will have reinvented themselves again) and so the revolving door continues...Exactly:) The general public have convinced themselves that the party they vote for this time will give them what they couldn't give them last time. They don't, and never will. It's always the same pig wearing a different mask.

The question people should ask is, why are the majority so unprepared to change, and what needs to be done to change them.

If you take the BNP as an example, you will find many disapointed people within it, but none prepared to try something new, or to leave. Are human beings really so cowardly that they prefer to cling to a sinking ship than build their own life raft? Are they really emotionally and mentally so ill equipped?

[Sharon]

I think its more the case that the population has been dumbed down to such a level that the only thing that people want is a diet of celeb tv. the latest gadgets, porn, drugs and booze.

If you look at the 70's and how people were politicaly motivated whether left ot right to now. One word apathy. Even the UAf with all their free travel can only muster a handful of people. This country is sleep walking into a nightmare.As witnessed on the BBC news tonight. They went from a kidnapped child to the Oscars, and then to a paedophile, and then right back to the Oscars...

I'm really suprised that no one has started a community news channel offering stories from individuals across the globe. We should be creating the news, and not fed a diet of what the media thinks we aught to see.

Indymedia is the closest thing, but even theirs is news with an agenda.

[Henry]

Exactly:) The general public have convinced themselves that the party they vote for this time will give them what they couldn't give them last time. They don't, and never will. It's always the same pig wearing a different mask.


But the general public don't bother to vote anymore.

This is the point you are missing.

Only 2/10 of those eligible to vote bothered to vote Labour last time and yet that was enough to give them a majority.

The system is in collapse and the democratic majority, as it is so often termed, have the right to bring the system down simply because they are not being represented by a government which has been elected by a tiny minority.

By giving your vote to the Labour party you undermine the majority and bolster the minority.

If no one voted for these bastards how would they ever claim office?

Think about it...We are closer to bringing them down by not voting than we've ever been by voting.

[Plastic Nationalism]

The question people should ask is, why are the majority so unprepared to change, and what needs to be done to change them.

If you take the BNP as an example, you will find many disapointed people within it, but none prepared to try something new, or to leave. Are human beings really so cowardly that they prefer to cling to a sinking ship than build their own life raft? Are they really emotionally and mentally so ill equipped?

The UK has become so dependant on Labour this past 12 years, they feel uncomfortable with anything else. Life is so much easier with socialism, or at least that's how they perceive it. It's only when scum like Anjem Choudary are highlighted in the papers that people start to realise that socialism has its dark side. The average worker doesn't want to fund Choudarys lifestyle, but they don't want to take a chance on Nationalism either, because it means that they may have to stand on their own two feet. The UK has become a nation of wimps who think that the government will look after them and in most cases it does!! that's how they stay in power by creating this dependency.
Now that Cameron has re-modelled the Tory party into another socialist party, the public are invited to feel safe with him too.

The BNP is no different, the members would feel totally lost without their party, they blindly follow the twists and turns in the forlorn hope that Nick Griffin will speak out for them. They don't care to look at the flaws, they'd rather turn a blind eye and rationalise every problem their leader causes.

[Williamson Watch]

Maybe sid and his half turk wife will join BNP now?

[Seagull]

As witnessed on the BBC news tonight. They went from a kidnapped child to the Oscars, and then to a paedophile, and then right back to the Oscars...

I'm really suprised that no one has started a community news channel offering stories from individuals across the globe. We should be creating the news, and not fed a diet of what the media thinks we aught to see.

Indymedia is the closest thing, but even theirs is news with an agenda.

Have you watched Noam Chomsky's "manufacturing consent" ?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manufacturing_Consent:_The_Political_Economy_of_th e_Mass_Media

[whitehammer]

i found this on another web site from 2006....Most (though not all) of these Griffin opponents also distrust his 'modernisation' strategy, suspecting that he intends not merely to make the party more palatable to voters, but to betray its fundamental principles.

In particular, they suspect that he intends to shift the BNP towards acceptance of Britain's multiracial society, albeit with fewer asylum seekers and illegal immigrants, and to ally the BNP with the Bush-Blair neo-conservative agenda, backing Israeli imperialism and the neo-con crusade against Islam, a conflict which the BNP traditionally would have wished Britain to steer clear of.