'Briton' to be executed in China !

[prometheus unbound]

LAST PLEA TO SAVE BRITON FROM EXECUTION IN CHINA

http://i.telegraph.co.uk/telegraph/multimedia/archive/01501/Shaikh_1501367c.jpg



The family of Brit Akmal Shaikh broke the news that he was to face a firing squad in China


THE distraught family of a Briton condemned to death in China broke the news to him yesterday that he was to face a firing squad today.

Akmal Shaikh was due to be executed in the early hours after being convicted of smuggling heroin.

Relatives claim the father-of-three is severely mentally ill and they believe he was duped into carrying the drugs by an international criminal gang. His fate had been kept from him until yesterday on “humanitarian grounds”.

Shaikh, 53, of Kentish Town, north London, was given the news by two cousins who travelled to China to make a last-minute plea for a reprieve. They were the first family members to have face-to-face contact with him in two years.

Shaikh’s daughter Leilla Horsnell said yesterday: “I’d like to be hopeful but time seems to be running out. Everybody in the family is managing in their own way but everybody is praying.” Yesterday, sobbing relatives joined a vigil outside the Chinese embassy in London to call on authorities to reverse the decision.

Shaikh’s brother Akbar wept as he said: “He only has a few hours left. The family is coping very badly.” The former minicab boss was arrested in September 2007 in north-west China after arriving on a flight from Tajikistan. Officials found four kilos (8.8lb) of heroin in a suitcase.

Shaikh, who is being held in a secure hospital in the remote city of Urumqi, will be the first European to be put to death in China in half a century. Campaigners from the charity Reprieve have been working with the Foreign Office to secure a stay of execution.

The British Government has made 10 formal approaches to China in the past six months. Reprieve’s legal director Sally Rowen said Home Secretary Alan Johnson had told her a week ago that “efforts would be intensified”.

http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/148567/Last-plea-to-save-Briton-from-execution-in-China


Oh dear how sad !

[Riaz Sobrany]

Now confirmed to have been executed.

I'm wondering how the diplomatic relationship between Europe and China will turn out after this. He is the first EUROPEAN to have been executed in China for over 50 years. I'm also wondering if there will be violent attacks on Chinese embassies and ambassadors.

[JiB]

He is no longer with us.
He's "the first EU national to be executed in China in 50 years."

As far as I'm concerned they don't need to wait another 50 for the next one.

British man said to be mentally ill executed in China (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/8433285.stm)

[SIGRUN]

I'd applaud the execution of this scumbag if he was as white as the driven snow. The Chinese have the sort of attitude towards drug dealers that we should have in the West.

[maximilian]

Well, he won't do that again, and I also presume that a lot of other people won't either.


max

[Sharon]

Anyone who has the mental capacity to be a "Boss of a taxi firm" would know that smuggling heroin was wrong.

Why on earth our government is appalled is beyond me, and just a pity they aren't so appalled by Israeli war crimes and changing British law to defend those criminals. Will our govt be equally appalled by the massacre of Palestinians by the Israelis and their breach of human rights?

When in China do as the Chinese do. Its just a pity we don't execute drug dealers in this country. I'd gladly hold the gun or push the plunger on the syringe.

[mad dog or wolf]

Now confirmed to have been executed.

I'm wondering how the diplomatic relationship between Europe and China will turn out after this. He is the first EUROPEAN to have been executed in China for over 50 years. I'm also wondering if there will be violent attacks on Chinese embassies and ambassadors.

What EUROPEAN he may have a passport to say he is this or that but it does not make him a native EUROPEAN or a BRITISH person he is an ASIAN AND THAT IS THAT.
But commit a crime in a another country and EXPECT the worst from the lawmakers of that country.

SO to any non native of the UK Do not expect sympathy from the native British JUST ASK THE MAN IN THE STREET.
Do not bother with listening to the hand-wringing of the Politicians they are just looking after NO 1 themselves and parroting others arse licks for the Vote of the non British.

[mad dog or wolf]

Now confirmed to have been executed.

I'm wondering how the diplomatic relationship between Europe and China will turn out after this. He is the first EUROPEAN to have been executed in China for over 50 years. I'm also wondering if there will be violent attacks on Chinese embassies and ambassadors.

I hope the Asians do Riot ,and they will only be joined by the Idiots of the Left no doubt about it.

[Henry]

We should also be putting filth like this down, and because this wog held a British passport which meant nothing to the Chinese, I suggest, as they've now set the precedent, that we start with the consumptive rats who the Chinese encourage to come to our shores, and who they refuse to take back when we catch them doing exactly what this wog was caught doing in China.

Triads Run £1billion Scots Cannabis Industry

Nov 20 2007 By Tom Hamilton

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/2007/11/20/triads-run-1billion-scots-cannabis-industry-86908-20132304/

A TOP cop last night told of his fears that Scotland has become a haven for drug-running Triad gangs.

Detective Chief Superintendent Stevie Whitelock, head of intelligence at Strathclyde Police, said: "Organised criminals have turned Scotland into a cannabis greenhouse."

Up to £1billion of the drug is being cultivated every year in houses and warehouses converted into drug farms by a large-scale organised crime gang linked to south-east Asia.

The farms are manned by illegal immigrants, locked in properties 24 hours a day, in temperatures exceeding 38C.

In the past 12 months, 33,000 plants worth £40million have been seized.

But police say this is just the tip of the iceberg.

They believe much of the cannabis is being exported overseas by the Chinese-Vietnamese crime group.

Law enforcement sources also believe the profits are being channeled back to south-east Asia where the cash is laundered in tourism.

Mr Whitelock said: "In addition to being a consumer market for drugs, Scotland has become a drug producer."

In the past 12 months, 61 cannabis factories have been busted in Strathclyde alone, with 70 in Scotland in total, resulting in 51 arrests.

But there is no evidence of the cannabis being sold on the streets of Scotland.

Mr Whitelock said: "It has been sent elsewhere. We are producing cannabis for the UK, Europe and probably further a field.

"In effect, organised crime groups are using Scotland as a greenhouse."

The Scots-grown cannabis contains almost seven times more of the dangerous chemical THC than foreign imports.

And while seizures are up, it is feared huge quantities - up to £1billion a year - are exported undiscovered.

The industry has shown a remarkable growth since a cannabis farm was found in the Kilmarnock area last year.

Within a short time, there were more busts in Lanarkshire, Paisley and Glasgow.

The farms are often in quiet suburban areas, typically on new housing estates.

Mr Whitelock said: "They are very shrewd. They are using new houses in suburban areas where there's often no sense of neighbourhood.

"They rent properties for six months, pay cash up front to the landlord and invest £20 to £30,000 on equipment.

"Then they bring in the Vietnamese farmers.

"Some know what they're coming for. Others come here thinking they have a promise of a legitimate job and end up being modern-day slaves."

Police are confident the same crime group is responsible because of similarities in electrical work and joinery they have found in their raids.

The cannabis farms need vast amounts of heat and light.

The gang's electrical specialists plug directly into the mains supply - stealing electricity from the suppliers.

Mr Whitelock added: "They use around 20 times the power used for a normal house to grow the cannabis.

The cost to power companies is thought to be around £2million a year.

"They have to recover the money some way. And that affects everyone - because it goes on everyone's power bill."

The costs to landlords are also immense because the farmers cause thousands of pounds worth of damage to the rented properties.

The intelligence chief said: "When they pack up, they leave the interior of the house like a demolition site."

So far, two key players in the gang have been jailed.

Sai Yau Shek, 53 - who ran operations in Ayrshire - has been caged for three years and nine months. And Jian He, 29, who has links with Triad gangs, was recently sentenced to five years and three months.

The group have also spread their tentacles into illegal trafficking of women sex slaves and the supply and sale of counterfeit DVDs.

Operation League - aiming to tackle cannabis cultivators - is now entering its second year.

Mr Whitelock added: "They have no respect for life. There has been great progress.

"But we will not let up. There can be no complacency." He says the public response has been astonishing.

He added: "Of the 61 raids, a third have been due to people calling and mentioning Operation League specifically."

There are signs that profits are being laundered into legitimate businesses.

A source said: "There have been substantial quantities of our bank notes in Vietnam.

"There is only one conclusion, given the scale of the Scottish cannabis farmers.

"Investigators believe cash from Scotland is being cleaned through investment in Vietnam's tourist industry."

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/2007/11/20/triads-run-1billion-scots-cannabis-industry-86908-20132304/

[prometheus unbound]

The 'snakeheads' have been operating here in the UK for decades.

[Henry]

The 'snakeheads' have been operating here in the UK for decades.

Time for them to swing.

But it's not going to happen is it? Because the Jewish Trotskyist MP, Sidney Silverman, made sure capital punishment was abolished in the UK. So the filth of the world now pour into our land and feel able to traffic and murder with impunity.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sydney_Silverman

[Riaz Sobrany]

What EUROPEAN he may have a passport to say he is this or that but it does not make him a native EUROPEAN or a BRITISH person he is an ASIAN AND THAT IS THAT.
But commit a crime in a another country and EXPECT the worst from the lawmakers of that country.

To be pedantic, yes. There is the likelihood that diplomatic tensions could erupt between other European nations, or the EU as a whole, and China. Hence the use of EUROPEAN.

SO to any non native of the UK Do not expect sympathy from the native British JUST ASK THE MAN IN THE STREET.
Do not bother with listening to the hand-wringing of the Politicians they are just looking after NO 1 themselves and parroting others arse licks for the Vote of the non British.

There doesn't appear to be much sympathy from the native British judging from comments on news sites but the commentators have failed to mention that the execution is capable of initiating new tensions and conflict between China and Europe and the Islamic world. There have been calls on blogs and forums for Europe to impose sanctions and blockades on China.

At one end of the scale it may end up simply as a short term diplomatic spat between Britain and China that blows over in a few months except to the Amnesty International types. At the other end of the scale it may completely redefine long term political and economic relationships between China and Europe, or even usher in a new cold war.

[prometheus unbound]

But people like Gordon Brown seem totally unaware of the sufferings of the families of the young soldiers bodies who drove through Wootton Bassett today.

Neither were they interested in the young lad who is/has been extradited to the USA for 'hacking' into a computer. Now that lad does have mental medical issues, but he might spend the rest of his life in a US jail.

[Riaz Sobrany]

Neither were they interested in the young lad who is/has been extradited to the USA for 'hacking' into a computer. Now that lad does have mental medical issues, but he might spend the rest of his life in a US jail.

I'm increasingly thinking that Israel is behind that one.

[Leyther]

I haven't been following this in the news although I've noticed reports that the Chinese Ambassador has received a bollocking in London from the British authorities. I'm a bit cynical about it all and it looks as though we are being manipulated again. They aren't adopting the same aggressive attitude in favour of the Palestinians or the alleged hacker being extradited to the US.

It looks to me as though the west needs a newer more credible enemy than North Vietnam or iran, the People's Republic of China would definitely fit the bill and we are now being conditioned for that to happen.

I'll bet this drug-runner was at the bottom of the food-chain in the murky world of narcotics. It wouldn't surprise me if some Government departments were covertly promoting drugs, as we discovered the CIA were in the Contra affair. The heroin trade has certainly picked up since the invasion of Afghanistan.

I don't agree with the death-penalty, mainly because there are so many innocent people in jail. At least you have a chance of getting a verdict overturned if you are in prison. I have a fundamental lack of faith in politicians and especially police. They don't become super-heroes just because they wear a uniform.

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The case of Gordon Park is interesting, if that's the right word for someone being locked up as a result of someone else murdering his wife. He was from Ulverston in Lancs, his wife's body was found at the bottom of Coniston Water.

http://www.mojuk.org.uk/

[Riaz Sobrany]

I haven't been following this in the news although I've noticed reports that the Chinese Ambassador has received a bollocking in London from the British authorities. I'm a bit cynical about it all and it looks as though we are being manipulated again. They aren't adopting the same aggressive attitude in favour of the Palestinians or the alleged hacker being extradited to the US.

There's a lot of unanswered questions surrounding these cases.

It looks to me as though the west needs a newer more credible enemy than North Vietnam or iran, the People's Republic of China would definitely fit the bill and we are now being conditioned for that to happen.

I have been saying for several years that the real enemy of the west is China rather than Islam but it has fallen on deaf ears. I'm wondering if this execution will put China under the spotlight similar to how 9/11 put Islam under the spotlight.

I'll bet this drug-runner was at the bottom of the food-chain in the murky world of narcotics. It wouldn't surprise me if some Government departments were covertly promoting drugs, as we discovered the CIA were in the Contra affair. The heroin trade has certainly picked up since the invasion of Afghanistan.

I'm inclined to say that Akmal Shaikh wasn't even aware that he was carrying Heroin. Do you honestly know what genuine heroin looks like? Can anybody confirm where the heroin was located when it was found? I don't think there is any real evidence to justify that he was a drug dealer. A trafficker yes, but a dealer no.

I don't agree with the death-penalty, mainly because there are so many innocent people in jail. At least you have a chance of getting a verdict overturned if you are in prison.

I support capital punishment but I think it was completely out of order that it was used on Akmal Shaikh. His execution is highly likely to result in repercussions.

I have a fundamental lack of faith in politicians and especially police. They don't become super-heroes just because they wear a uniform.

Akmal Shaikh wasn't even given a proper and fair trial.

[Sharon]

There's a lot of unanswered questions surrounding these cases.



I have been saying for several years that the real enemy of the west is China rather than Islam but it has fallen on deaf ears. I'm wondering if this execution will put China under the spotlight similar to how 9/11 put Islam under the spotlight.



I'm inclined to say that Akmal Shaikh wasn't even aware that he was carrying Heroin. Do you honestly know what genuine heroin looks like? Can anybody confirm where the heroin was located when it was found? I don't think there is any real evidence to justify that he was a drug dealer. A trafficker yes, but a dealer no.



I support capital punishment but I think it was completely out of order that it was used on Akmal Shaikh. His execution is highly likely to result in repercussions.



Akmal Shaikh wasn't even given a proper and fair trial.Does any of that matter? He was carrying the drugs and was dealt with according to the law of China. He deserved what he got. Heroin destroys lives.

[Sharon]

But people like Gordon Brown seem totally unaware of the sufferings of the families of the young soldiers bodies who drove through Wootton Bassett today.No, not unaware. Brown doesn't care, and the more I study him the more he looks like he has a mental illness. He's completely emotionless and lacking in empathy. I can't even imagine he gets angry. The guy is just f*cking weird, he creeps me out.

[Leyther]

Does any of that matter? He was carrying the drugs and was dealt with according to the law of China. He deserved what he got. Heroin destroys lives.

Do you not think it matters if he didn't receive a fair trial?

[Sharon]

Do you not think it matters if he didn't receive a fair trial?No, not at all. He broke the rules in China, not Britain. Who are you to say what their laws should be?

[Deacon of the Deez]

No, not at all. He broke the rules in China, not Britain. Who are you to say what their laws should be?

He wasn't saying what their laws should be; he was implying he didn't receive a fair trial.

[Sharon]

He wasn't saying what their laws should be; he was implying he didn't receive a fair trial.If that's the way they do it in China who is anyone to argue?

[Deacon of the Deez]

If that's the way they do it in China who is anyone to argue?

I see your point. I also applaud the Chinese for punishing crime.

[Sharon]

I see your point. I also applaud the Chinese for punishing crime.Me too, and I reckon if we executed the mules and dealers we would reduce our prison population by more than 20%

[Henry]

No, not unaware. Brown doesn't care, and the more I study him the more he looks like he has a mental illness. He's completely emotionless and lacking in empathy. I can't even imagine he gets angry. The guy is just f*cking weird, he creeps me out.

Sharon, I don't know if you are aware of Brown's history in the Labour party but you're not far off the mark.

When the king makers took up the 'New' Labour project they were aware that Brown (and Blair) had serious psychological problems which both men found difficult to conceal.

Like matter and anti-matter; a particular problem occurred when Brown and Blair occupied the same space.

One of the methods they (the king makers) agreed upon for dealing with the problem was to make sure that Blair and Brown were never shown together in the same shot when one or the other was making a speech, as neither man could control his tics and groans as the the other man's speech was developed.

I was given this information by a former Labour minister just after Blair was gifted the leaders crown after the death of John Smith.

In the following years I saw some evidence of what I had been told but nothing that would be 'obvious' to the unaware. Then, during the opening of the Diana memorial fountain in London, when Blair was making his speech, Brown was at last caught behind Blair in the same frame.

Throughout Blair's speech, Brown was a seething mess of neuroses, and is clearly a sufferer of 'Tourettes'. At one point, when Blair slipped into his pious vicar mode, Brown twisted in a kind of sexual agony [sic] and let out a howl of derision which was only brought under control when he (Brown) jammed his fist into his own mouth - I almost fell of the chair in shock at seeing at last what I'd been told about, all those years prior.

I've also been reliably informed that Brown delights in humiliating and embarrassing subordinates, especially female.

A favourite practice is to violently break wind and then glare at his intended victim, challenging him or her to chastise him :eek:

Brown is a f'cking nutter if there ever was one, but he's also a 'son of the manse' and his father was fluent in Hebrew, so what do you expect :D

[Sharon]

Sharon, I don't know if you are aware of Brown's history in the Labour party but you're not far off the mark.

When the king makers took up the 'New' Labour project they were aware that Brown (and Blair) had serious psychological problems which both men found difficult to conceal.

Like matter and anti-matter; a particular problem occurred when Brown and Blair occupied the same space.

One of the methods they (the king makers) agreed upon for dealing with the problem was to make sure that Blair and Brown were never shown together in the same shot when one or the other was making a speech, as neither man could control his tics and groans as the the other man's speech was developed.

I was given this information by a former Labour minister just after Blair was gifted the leaders crown after the death of John Smith.

In the following years I saw some evidence of what I had been told but nothing that would be 'obvious' to the unaware. Then, during the opening of the Diana memorial fountain in London, when Blair was making his speech, Brown was at last caught behind Blair in the same frame.

Throughout Blair's speech, Brown was a seething mess of neuroses, and is clearly a sufferer of 'Tourettes'. At one point, when Blair slipped into his pious vicar mode, Brown twisted in a kind of sexual agony [sic] and let out a howl of derision which was only brought under control when he (Brown) jammed his fist into his own mouth - I almost fell of the chair in shock at seeing at last what I'd been told about, all those years prior.

I've also been reliably informed that Brown delights in humiliating and embarrassing subordinates, especially female.

A favourite practice is to violently break wind and then glare at his intended victim, challenging him or her to chastise him :eek:

Brown is a f'cking nutter if there ever was one, but he's also a 'son of the manse' and his father was fluent in Hebrew, so what do you expect :DHave you got the film footage of that, is it on youtube?

[Henry]

Have you got the film footage of that, is it on youtube?

I have looked in the past but never found it, but I'm sure some royalist/Diana fanatic has it on video.

If memory serves, the reason Brown and Blair were held for so long in the same shot was because the Queen was also in frame.

I think there's a similar incident at a Labour party conference. Of course, the Queen wasn't present on that occasion, as she pays her dues by direct debit via the bank of N M. Rothschild & Co :D

[Leyther]

Originally Posted by Leyther View Post
Do you not think it matters if he didn't receive a fair trial?


No, not at all. He broke the rules in China, not Britain.

Ok, so you don't think he should have had a fair trial, I'm going to assume you'd apply the same logic in Britain as he would've broken the rules there as well.

Without a fair trial, how do we know that someone is guilty?


Who are you to say what their laws should be?


Could you point me to the bit where I said what their laws should be?

[Leyther]

=Henry;23789

When the king makers took up the 'New' Labour project they were aware that Brown (and Blair) had serious psychological problems which both men found difficult to conceal.

Like matter and anti-matter; a particular problem occurred when Brown and Blair occupied the same space.

One of the methods they (the king makers) agreed upon for dealing with the problem was to make sure that Blair and Brown were never shown together in the same shot when one or the other was making a speech, as neither man could control his tics and groans as the the other man's speech was developed.

I was given this information by a former Labour minister just after Blair was gifted the leaders crown after the death of John Smith.


You know how some people look like their pets and adopt their mannerisms? Well, Brown reminds me of a goat so I'm wondering whether he owns one. He certainly has that untidy face and indolent expression.

I've noticed an odd tic that he has, he sometimes drops his lower jaw for no apparent reason when he is making a speech, usually when he's being devious so it's quite often.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uv5cqh26CC0

John Smith was to be the first Labour PM since the loony-left of the '70s. He had an unexpected death and was given what looked to be a State Funeral as his ambitious psycho deputy Tony Blair conveniently stepped in. Nouveau Labour then easily defeated the Tories at the next GE.

It's been discussed before, I can't prove it but I get the feeling that Brown's death wasn't as natural as we're led to believe.

[Henry]

=Henry;23789

When the king makers took up the 'New' Labour project they were aware


You know how some people look like their pets and adopt their mannerisms? Well, Brown reminds me of a goat so I'm wondering whether he owns one. He certainly has that untidy face and indolent expression.

I've noticed an odd tic that he has, he sometimes drops his lower jaw for no apparent reason when he is making a speech, usually when he's being devious so it's quite often.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uv5cqh26CC0

John Smith was to be the first Labour PM since the loony-left of the '70s. He had an unexpected death and was given what looked to be a State Funeral as his ambitious psycho deputy Tony Blair conveniently stepped in. Nouveau Labour then easily defeated the Tories at the next GE.

It's been discussed before, I can't prove it but I get the feeling that Brown's death wasn't as natural as we're led to believe.


You get a sense of what I'm talking about in the first minutes of this video.

Watch Brown twitching in irritation behind Blair at PM''s question time.

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[Leyther]

You get a sense of what I'm talking about in the first minutes of this video.

Watch Brown twitching in irritation behind Blair at PM''s question time.



Hmmm... Blair seemed to be trying to block Brown out of view of the camera with his hand.

Brown also worships the sun, sorry, Sun. According to the singer.

http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:4e_vDdr9MeLk_M:http://i972.photobucket.com/albums/ae204/happyugly123/Hitler-smiley.jpg

[Tactics]

That bloke was an Asian, this has nothing to do with Britain, it isn't our problem.

[JiB]

It looks like the British government openly welcomes the opportunity of continually calling some mad Pakistani criminal "British". That way the world's concept of what 'British' means is devalued in their eyes.

This is similar in some respects to what foreigners were dished up with when arriving at London's City Airport this summer when I travelled to my family in the South West. That day there were four immigration officers checking passports at the checkpoint. Two of them were Africans, one was an Indian and the last one looked like some sort of nondescript Polynesian race.

I don't know what the plane loads of Europeans flying in that day must have thought, but they now have an image of what 'British' is that is different to that of the old days.

[Sharon]

Ok, so you don't think he should have had a fair trial, I'm going to assume you'd apply the same logic in Britain as he would've broken the rules there as well.

Without a fair trial, how do we know that someone is guilty?



Could you point me to the bit where I said what their laws should be?You're twisting it again Leyther:) If China don't hold fair trials that is their business not ours. They caught a mule with heroin and dispatched him accordingly. Their country, their rules, their law.

[Sharon]

Hmmm... Blair seemed to be trying to block Brown out of view of the camera with his hand.

Brown also worships the sun, sorry, Sun. According to the singer.

http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:4e_vDdr9MeLk_M:http://i972.photobucket.com/albums/ae204/happyugly123/Hitler-smiley.jpg

I'll do a search and see what I can find.

[Riaz Sobrany]

Does any of that matter? He was carrying the drugs and was dealt with according to the law of China. He deserved what he got. Heroin destroys lives.

That's a grossly simplistic view and you are failing to look at the complete picture. I clearly stated the possibility of future repercussions and diplomatic tensions between all European countries and China. A controversial execution has the potential to change the future course of politics. This is what matters.

I was thinking that calls for a huge boycott of China and Chinese goods will turn out to be the next component in my predicted change of political course from left vs right to globalist vs localist. I expect that liberal left groups obsessed with human rights will initially be the most vocal of a boycott of China. Nationalists should however look at this as an opportunity to put a stop to China and the global free trade brigade from wrecking our manufacturing industry.

[Sharon]

That's a grossly simplistic view and you are failing to look at the complete picture. I clearly stated the possibility of future repercussions and diplomatic tensions between all European countries and China. A controversial execution has the potential to change the future course of politics. This is what matters.

I was thinking that calls for a huge boycott of China and Chinese goods will turn out to be the next component in my predicted change of political course from left vs right to globalist vs localist. I expect that liberal left groups obsessed with human rights will initially be the most vocal of a boycott of China. Nationalists should however look at this as an opportunity to put a stop to China and the global free trade brigade from wrecking our manufacturing industry.I wasn't aware I was being asked to look at the complete picture, but of course it will be used to try and claw back a fraction of British manufacturing industry. But don't expect any vocal support from America and big business, they love China. As for boycotts, the Israeli boycott doesn't stop Israel from murdering babies. Does it?

He'll be fish and chip paper next week, and China should be applauded for dealing with scum.

[JiB]

I wasn't aware I was being asked to look at the complete picture, but of course it will be used to try and claw back a fraction of British manufacturing industry. But don't expect any vocal support from America and big business, they love China. As for boycotts, the Israeli boycott doesn't stop Israel from murdering babies. Does it?

He'll be fish and chip paper next week, and China should be applauded for dealing with scum.

Correct re. support from America: China holds the US dollar in its hands. If they started selling dollar bonds the West's economy would collapse since the other Western countries currencies are largely dollar based. Got your candles in Sharon? :)

[Riaz Sobrany]

Big business and western politicians are themselves responsible for converting China into the economic and military force it is today. If China was left to its own devices by the west then it would almost certainly be little different from what it was back in the 1950s.

[Leyther]

You're twisting it again Leyther:) If China don't hold fair trials that is their business not ours. They caught a mule with heroin and dispatched him accordingly. Their country, their rules, their law.

No, I'm not 'twisting it again'. I asked whether it mattered whether he had a fair trial. You said 'no', or at least that's how I read it.

My follow-up question was that if he, or anyone else for that matter, didn't get a fair trial, how do we know that he is guilty?

It get's back to what I've said on many occasions, we should be basing actions on truth not on reactionary emotive knee-jerks. The latter might seem appealing in a gung-ho way to some but it's not going to get us anywhere.

=Sharon;Who are you to say what their laws should be?

Show me where I said that.
This will soon be forgotten about unless it is a step in conditioning us to believe that the People's Republic is to be the next Cold War enemy.

[Henry]

Big business and western politicians are themselves responsible for converting China into the economic and military force it is today. If China was left to its own devices by the west then it would almost certainly be little different from what it was back in the 1950s.

Yes. China has been allowed to plagiarize our technology, ignore copyrights and patents and flood our markets with cheap and inferior goods to the detriment of own industry and manufacturing, causing millions to be thrown out of work in the west.

India has also been given similar 'assistance' though not yet to the same extent.

If I try to phone my bank I end up speaking to an Indian who has taken a job away from a Briton and who proves to be no help to me whatsoever.

It's about time we told banks, who make billions in profits, that they will have to pay the unemployment benefits of those whom they make unnecessarily redundant.

[Deacon of the Deez]

Banks should be state run. They should be for the people not for profit.

[Henry]

Yes. China has been allowed to plagiarize our technology, ignore copyrights and patents and flood our markets with cheap and inferior goods to the detriment of own industry and manufacturing, causing millions to be thrown out of work in the west.

India has also been given similar 'assistance' though not yet to the same extent.

If I try to phone my bank I end up speaking to an Indian who has taken a job away from a Briton and who proves to be no help to me whatsoever.

It's about time we told banks, who make billions in profits, that they will have to pay the unemployment benefits of those whom they make unnecessarily redundant.

Of course all of this was predicted by men like Hitler and Mosley and was the real cause of WW2.

Listen to Mosley get it exactly right here in the 1930's and then go away and prepare your children and grandchildren for a lifetime of sweated labour, because weak effete people fear the men who say these things.

The Voice Of A Real Man

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[JiB]

Of course all of this was predicted by men like Hitler and Mosley and was the real cause of WW2.

Listen to Mosley get it exactly right here in the 1930's and then go away and prepare your children and grandchildren for a lifetime of sweated labour, because weak effete people fear the men who say these things.



Not heard that one before...really spot on. At least it's very clear now why Mr. Mosley was locked away.

[Sharon]

Got your candles in Sharon? :)Always;) I bet I'm the only one on this forum with a multi fuel stove that not only provides warmth and hot water, but I can also cook a meal in it, or on it. I also grow most of my food, preserve it, bake my own bread, and keep a collection of more than 275 varieties of vegetable seed:)

Depend on no one;)

[Riaz Sobrany]

This will soon be forgotten about unless it is a step in conditioning us to believe that the People's Republic is to be the next Cold War enemy.

It could drag on all through 2010. I'm hoping that it puts the spotlight on China instead of Islam because that's where the spotlight really ought to be. China doesn't get the attention it merits within the nationalist community and it's about time the general public started to recognise what a powerful and dangerous force it is.

Something tells me that if Akmal Shaikh was executed in a Muslim country for exactly the same crime then the British public would be spitting nails.

[Sharon]

It could drag on all through 2010. I'm hoping that it puts the spotlight on China instead of Islam because that's where the spotlight really ought to be. China doesn't get the attention it merits within the nationalist community and it's about time the general public started to recognise what a powerful and dangerous force it is.

Something tells me that if Akmal Shaikh was executed in a Muslim country for exactly the same crime then the British public would be spitting nails.No it won't. America is already hotting up against the Yemen and the bomber with the exploding underpants. Guess who is supposed to be funding the extremists in the Yemen? Ooooh, it's IRAN:rolleyes: Iran won't leave the political map till they've been bombed off it.

[JiB]

I see Gadafi's son broke his wife's nose in a "domestic incident" in a hotel in London, but the police were 'persuaded' not arrest him.

[Henry]

Not heard that one before...really spot on. At least it's very clear now why Mr. Mosley was locked away.

Let's listen to some more then.

Truth As Relevant Today As It Was Then

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[JiB]

Let's listen to some more then.

Truth As Relevant Today As It Was Then



All largely true even today! If only the nationalist movement could convincingly pass on the message about big finance manipulating and controlling politics and a bit less about Islam they might be getting more general support from the population. Maybe this crisis we're in now will help convince people how important these issues are.

[Henry]

All largely true even today! If only the nationalist movement could convincingly pass on the message about big finance manipulating and controlling politics and a bit less about Islam they might be getting more general support from the population. Maybe this crisis we're in now will help convince people how important these issues are.

You've got no chance. This thread, as it is developing, is an example of what passes for 'Nationalism' today.

Mosley's message of truth is buried under the weight of petty bickering.

On the homepage of this site (Nationalists Online) it says that there are currently 79 active members - I'll wager, if you asked every one of them to form a queue behind their own political opinion and beliefs, you'd end up with 79 different queues, because we've actually got fuck all in common, except our imminent extinction as a people...and don't we deserve it.

Goodbye.

[Leyther]

Banks should be state run. They should be for the people not for profit.

There's nothing to stop a Government from printing its own money.

What I'd like to know about this current so-called Credit-Crunch is where the money that has been 'lost' has gone to? Someone must have it.

[JiB]

There's nothing to stop a Government from printing its own money.

What I'd like to know about this current so-called Credit-Crunch is where the money that has been 'lost' has gone to? Someone must have it.

Most of it goes 'puff' and disappears. Why? because it is credit, i.e. debt and when a debt it not paid back the person making the loan takes a loss.

[Leyther]

Most of it goes 'puff' and disappears. Why? because it is credit, i.e. debt and when a debt it not paid back the person making the loan takes a loss.

The National Debt has just increased to 'trillions'; whom is that money to be paid to?

[Tactics]

Always;) I bet I'm the only one on this forum with a multi fuel stove that not only provides warmth and hot water, but I can also cook a meal in it, or on it. I also grow most of my food, preserve it, bake my own bread, and keep a collection of more than 275 varieties of vegetable seed:)

Depend on no one;)

Dinner at yours then, when it kicks off.

[Riaz Sobrany]

On the homepage of this site (Nationalists Online) it says that there are currently 79 active members - I'll wager, if you asked every one of them to form a queue behind their own political opinion and beliefs, you'd end up with 79 different queues, because we've actually got fuck all in common, except our imminent extinction as a people...and don't we deserve it.

I can pretty much second this.

Nationalists Online is populated by a very mixed bag of people.

[Leyther]

You've got no chance. This thread, as it is developing, is an example of what passes for 'Nationalism' today.

Mosley's message of truth is buried under the weight of petty bickering.

On the homepage of this site (Nationalists Online) it says that there are currently 79 active members - I'll wager, if you asked every one of them to form a queue behind their own political opinion and beliefs, you'd end up with 79 different queues, because we've actually got fuck all in common, except our imminent extinction as a people...and don't we deserve it.

Goodbye.

It is a debating board, maybe we could have a petty bickering section.

When I'm posting I'm taking it for granted that the vast majority agree that our root enemy is Zionism and that we are anti-Establishment. I'm discovering that not everyone agrees with that.

[JiB]

The National Debt has just increased to 'trillions'; whom is that money to be paid to?

The total amount of net worth in the country, i.e. houses, cars, factories, fields of corn etc stays more or less the same. What 'they' have done is increased the number of pieces of paper with numbers on them (actually nowadays just numbers in a computer). Let's say they have doubled the amount of credit money. It means that the holders of the new money can spend equal of half of the total net worth of the country. They have effectively removed that value from you the people and put into the hands of bankers to invest or lend out again and the government to spend. This is monetary inflation and eventually causes prices to rise, i.e. price inflation. Another common name for this process is theft.

[Ogmios]

Well done China for having the courage to do what New Labour's impotent communists do not have the balls to do.

"Britain's loss" (:rolleyes:) in this instance is a gain for the greater good of all humanity.