What is going on at BNP H.Q.and regional H.Q. ?

[tyrone]

Still a card carrying member but iv'e only received one members bulletin in the past three months,which was in early September which should have been for August as it was advertising RWB.

Our group hasn't received any enquiries or new members details in over six months ? We know of four new members in recent months and counted 22 houses with BNP window posters whilst leafleting during the euro election campaign (that's 22 households that rang the enquiry line through the royal mail leaflets) We have never received these enquiries ? What is going on both at national and regional office ?

[rebel]

Still a card carrying member but iv'e only received one members bulletin in the past three months,which was in early September which should have been for August as it was advertising RWB.

Our group hasn't received any enquiries or new members details in over six months ? We know of four new members in recent months and counted 22 houses with BNP window posters whilst leafleting during the euro election campaign (that's 22 households that rang the enquiry line through the royal mail leaflets) We have never received these enquiries ? What is going on both at national and regional office ?

Wasn´t there a big push for extra funds- before the Euro elections- to train party personell to handle new enquiries and membership applications that were supposed to flood in.

[Miss Moneypenny]

Wasn´t there a big push for extra funds- before the Euro elections- to train party personell to handle new enquiries and membership applications that were supposed to flood in.
Sounds like another excuse for a Dowson money-grabbing opportunity. I doubt whether party personnel were ever trained for this task. During the election campaign, new enquiries went through the Belfast call centre. The new enquiry lists sent out during that time were appalling, muddled, bits of addresses missing. Whoever put them together had little knowledge of the geography of the British Isles.

[Cupid Stunt]

Still a card carrying member but iv'e only received one members bulletin in the past three months,which was in early September which should have been for August as it was advertising RWB.

Our group hasn't received any enquiries or new members details in over six months ? We know of four new members in recent months and counted 22 houses with BNP window posters whilst leafleting during the euro election campaign (that's 22 households that rang the enquiry line through the royal mail leaflets) We have never received these enquiries ? What is going on both at national and regional office ?

Basically, Eddy Butler, the National Organiser, is a RETARD.

[Cupid Stunt]

Sounds like another excuse for a Dowson money-grabbing opportunity. I doubt whether party personnel were ever trained for this task. During the election campaign, new enquiries went through the Belfast call centre. The new enquiry lists sent out during that time were appalling, muddled, bits of addresses missing. Whoever put them together had little knowledge of the geography of the British Isles.

Are you sure they are not using a call centre in Bombay???:D

[tyrone]

Are you sure they are not using a call centre in Bombay???:D

Dont you'll give Nick idea's.I can just see an indian version of Collett,Hannan and Darby.Mark Curried Collett, Dave Halal Hannan,Simon Diwali Darby.The bombay mix.

[rebel]

Basically, Eddy Butler, the National Organiser, is a RETARD.


You´ve met him as well.*poor-thing*

[fostersfolly]

Since the Euro elections the party has been allowed to drift rudderless, Griffin and the 'leadership' have seemingly got what they wanted (MEP's) and they have lost interest in the party.
The BNP members forum has disappeared, a new branch/group email set-up has been introduced in which a persons name is used i.e. Fredbloggs@bnp.org.uk instead of the units name, great progress!!!!

LIke others our group has had no contact with the RO for months, no follow-ups have arrived for four months. A big branch near me who would formerly fight by-elections in their area can't now even be bothered to put up a paper candidate, and this is in a good ward. Although in my general area we have hundreds of members, you can't get more than a tiny handful to actually do anything. I could go on but others are obviously experiencing the same as we are.

[tyrone]

Sounds like another excuse for a Dowson money-grabbing opportunity. I doubt whether party personnel were ever trained for this task. During the election campaign, new enquiries went through the Belfast call centre. The new enquiry lists sent out during that time were appalling, muddled, bits of addresses missing. Whoever put them together had little knowledge of the geography of the British Isles.

Exactly. Whoever was dealing with enquiries i always googled the road name and the post code as 9 times out of ten there was an error and the way they were sent made it impossible to copy and paste onto our members excel spreadsheet.

[Ian]

It sounds like the grass-roots elements are being neglected by the big-timers.

[Sharon]

It sounds like the grass-roots elements are being neglected by the big-timers.Labour is now paying for that mistake.

[mad dog or wolf]

It sounds like the grass-roots elements are being neglected by the big-timers.

My info is that the party is financially broke and Dowson screwed up re all the EU enquiry PO box number so all enq are now lost,if you have money in your possession then you are lucky but if not then you are also broke as HQ have spent all assets and are living on a hand to mouth existence with a daily appeal until the appeal date runs out and then they will run another one ad infinitum,I also think that the BNP legal fees have not been paid hence the adjournment .

Perhaps some of the Sacked or the Resigned organisers can shine some light on the problem on this Forum.

Why do you not check with other regional organisers and compare notes.

[Unregistered]

Ive been told Richard and Tania Lumby from Birmingham who were on the party payroll at the time were in charge of enquries during the election campaign,who have since resigned ? or were they pushed ?

[prometheus unbound]

It sounds like the grass-roots elements are being neglected by the big-timers.

The Prime example of this was Burnley 2003. They got 8 Councillors elected and were the Official opposition.

They received no help whatsoever, in fact they had the opposite of help.

Burnley still has some excellent Councillors - but are a shadow of it's former self.

[Sharon]

The Prime example of this was Burnley 2003. They got 8 Councillors elected and were the Official opposition.

They received no help whatsoever, in fact they had the opposite of help.

Burnley still has some excellent Councillors - but are a shadow of it's former self.

You really have to question why Griffin refused to give Steve Smith the money and assistance to build on the Burnley success. Its as if Griffin wants everything to fail but himself.

[rebel]

. Its as if Griffin wants everything to fail but himself.


You have just summed up Nick Griffin in ten words.*hat*

[tyrone]

At a meeting in Birmingham a few years back when most of Birmingham's top activists had gone Griffin looked round the room at the small crowd and said " They now have quality not quantity members " ? As one member said as he looked round the room at the likes of Mike Bell and Tania Lumby and thought this is f***ed.Street activities stopped as soon as the Lumbys got involved ? I feel sorry for the folk of Birmingham they no longer have a nationalist voice. I would say next year in the local elections they will struggle to find 20 candidates.The same happened to Brum as it did with Oldham BNP,it was wrecked within by newcomers.

[Sharon]

At a meeting in Birmingham a few years back when most of Birmingham's top activists had gone Griffin looked round the room at the small crowd and said " They now have quality not quantity members " ? As one member said as he looked round the room at the likes of Mike Bell and Tania Lumby and thought this is f***ed.Street activities stopped as soon as the Lumbys got involved ? I feel sorry for the folk of Birmingham they no longer have a nationalist voice. I would say next year in the local elections they will struggle to find 20 candidates.The same happened to Brum as it did with Oldham BNP,it was wrecked within by newcomers.If the Birmingham Branch had a brain it wouldn't field 20 candidates. It would field just 3.

[rebel]

At a meeting in Birmingham a few years back when most of Birmingham's top activists had gone Griffin looked round the room at the small crowd and said " They now have quality not quantity members " ? .

If you had seen some of the dross that Griffin seemed more than happy to recruit into the Front in the 1980´s. Back then it was quantity over quality- the real reason being of course that he could not recruit quality members with the ideological changes he, and his political soldiers implimented.

[prometheus unbound]

The Prime example of this was Burnley 2003. They got 8 Councillors elected and were the Official opposition.

They received no help whatsoever, in fact they had the opposite of help.

Burnley still has some excellent Councillors - but are a shadow of it's former self.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_kAsREsiLSmY/Rl85AJBzm9I/AAAAAAAAArg/8ZvCJSEsl0o/s400/trouble.jpg

This is a report by the North West of England BNP about the problems added to by BNP HQ against Burnley BNP and it's Councillors.

[Unregistered]

Somebody come and help on the Stirrer. The Reds have had it there own way too long

http://www.thestirrer.co.uk/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=6503

[prometheus unbound]

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_kAsREsiLSmY/Rl85AJBzm9I/AAAAAAAAArg/8ZvCJSEsl0o/s400/trouble.jpg

This is a report by the North West of England BNP about the problems added to by BNP HQ against Burnley BNP and it's Councillors.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_kAsREsiLSmY/RmWcmzRGj-I/AAAAAAAAAwg/s6A6_tZCXPY/s400/tun10.jpg

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_kAsREsiLSmY/RmWcczRGj9I/AAAAAAAAAwY/fGQzlotHJM8/s400/tun09.jpg

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_kAsREsiLSmY/RmWa_TRGj3I/AAAAAAAAAvo/wwtwULeFX8s/s400/tun08.jpg

[prometheus unbound]

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_kAsREsiLSmY/RmWZjjRGjyI/AAAAAAAAAvA/iSbt4nmGGgA/s400/tun07.jpg

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_kAsREsiLSmY/RmWXoDRGjtI/AAAAAAAAAuY/qvEqN6dAMoY/s400/tun06.jpg

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_kAsREsiLSmY/RmWVjzRGjoI/AAAAAAAAAtw/70HRpyIYkF4/s400/tun05.jpg

[prometheus unbound]

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_kAsREsiLSmY/RmWVkDRGjpI/AAAAAAAAAt4/eTCCCVO15Wg/s400/tun04.jpg



http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_kAsREsiLSmY/RmWVkjRGjqI/AAAAAAAAAuA/771hdxUF1AQ/s400/tun03.jpg


http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_kAsREsiLSmY/RmWVkjRGjrI/AAAAAAAAAuI/K5znA2b5iXA/s400/tun02.jpg

[prometheus unbound]

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_kAsREsiLSmY/RmWVkzRGjsI/AAAAAAAAAuQ/erSdBBOmbpQ/s400/tun01.jpg

[tyrone]

A pattern seems to be emerging,look what happened to Burnley BNP ? look what happened to Oldham BNP ? Look what has recently happened to Birmingham BNP ? Where next Stoke and Barking ? There is some dark shadow at work especially when you compare Oldham to Birmingham,outsiders brought in,split it from a branch into groups,each group starts bickering amongst themselves,meetings suddenly treble to 3 times a month,meeting attendances drop through the floor,then the organisers split when the bottom falls out ?

[Sharon]

Somebody come and help on the Stirrer. The Reds have had it there own way too long

http://www.thestirrer.co.uk/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=6503Can't help you. Mr Goldberg banned me for life. Although I know he loves me really:D

[Trebor]

They have certainly lost the plot since the elections. No wonder EDL have taken the initiative and possibly a good deal of support. Has anyone seen the Voice of Freedom since Collett took it over? It's not good is it? Ans also the new look Identity supposedly being issued on a quarterly basis is taking a while to surface. Perhaps they need some funds to help them ....... I won't be sending any!

[Unregistered]

Don't be mean poor old Nick Griffin is hard up these days, what with his £80,000 salary none of which he can give to the BNP because he says it's against the rules....er...somethings wrong there, since when couldn't you give some of your wages to whoever you want, still if Nick says so it must be right!

[tyrone]

Thats why we never went to RWB this year ? The main fact was emails being sent by a certain party official saying there are only a few hundred tickets left (more lies) ? No proper washing facilities on site,not allowed caravans,no music licence,every time you walk round the main site someone is in your face to buy a raffle ticket or something off a stall and the past few years we found some of the BNP security quite intimidating.

[Kate]

It would take approximately five minutes to fire off an email or letter to the appropriate folk at the good ol' EU to clarify once and for all whether what Griffin says about not being able to use his wages for BNP's activities is fact or fiction. In fact, I estimate weeks and weeks have been wasted speculating about it - only in nationalism could such a fundamental cock up occur.

[XIV]

http://ec.europa.eu/europedirect/write_to_us/mailbox/index_en.htm

Anyone with half a brain will do as I have done and simply approach the EU directly and clarify once and for all whether Griffin is or is not allowed to use his MEP salary to help the BNP. :rolleyes:

[Sharon]

http://ec.europa.eu/europedirect/write_to_us/mailbox/index_en.htm

Anyone with half a brain will do as I have done and simply approach the EU directly and clarify once and for all whether Griffin is or is not allowed to use his MEP salary to help the BNP. :rolleyes:You are allowed to willingly donate what you wish, but it CANNOT be demanded of you by the party. Labour got into trouble a couple of years ago for demanding a percentage of councillors allowances. A party cannot demand, but you can willingly give, and clearly Griffin chooses not to give.

[norwich nationalist]

And now we have another membership list leak to contend with. The last one was bad enough, this one looks like it's more accurate and up to date.
I've had enough.
The endless begging letters, the lack of info, the lack of real leadership, the treatment of decent people and the lies.
If this is what it comes down to you can count me out. I've had it.

[prometheus unbound]

And now we have another membership list leak to contend with. The last one was bad enough, this one looks like it's more accurate and up to date.
I've had enough.
The endless begging letters, the lack of info, the lack of real leadership, the treatment of decent people and the lies.
If this is what it comes down to you can count me out. I've had it.

All this and more is the why this forum was set-up NN.

To give up on the struggle all together, is just what the enemies of this Country want.

[fostersfolly]

And now we have another membership list leak to contend with. The last one was bad enough, this one looks like it's more accurate and up to date.
I've had enough.
The endless begging letters, the lack of info, the lack of real leadership, the treatment of decent people and the lies.
If this is what it comes down to you can count me out. I've had it.

I very much agree, it's almost as if Griffin is hell bent on wrecking the party. The man blunders all over the place and says whatever comes into his head, like yesterday he wants Sikhs in the British army or some nonsense. The endless talk of Muslims this and Muslims that as if getting rid of the Muslims would solve everything, the problem is race and immigration not Muslims.
I agree that the tacky begging letters with Britiain First plastered across the front of the envelope get my goat, come back Readers Digest all is forgiven!

The biggest shame is that there is not some sensible Nationalist group which can scoop up all the people who are dropping out of the BNP. The only other group around the National Front hasn't got the be all and end all to develop, they seem to want us to go back to marching etc...been there done that and moved on I'm afraid. Marches like street corner meetings are out of date.

[XIV]

Nope, I disagree. The biggest shame is that people repeatedly try and hinder the progress of the most successful nationalist Party in decades.

[tyrone]

BNP members are being called from the call centre even though their membership is not up for renewal and being asked to renew early ?

[Miss Moneypenny]

BNP members are being called from the call centre even though their membership is not up for renewal and being asked to renew early ?
This has been going on for several months. It ensures the call centre get their rake-off from membership subscriptions. When it's time to renew, post your cheque to this address: Membership Department PO Box 107 Wigton Cumbria CA7 0YA.
If enough of us bypass Jim Dowson's pocket-lining machine, perhaps he will get the idea.

[Tactics]

You are allowed to willingly donate what you wish, but it CANNOT be demanded of you by the party. Labour got into trouble a couple of years ago for demanding a percentage of councillors allowances. A party cannot demand, but you can willingly give, and clearly Griffin chooses not to give.

And yet he used the old "we will get more funds if I become an M.E.P. routine" to justify bankrupting the party in order to get himself elected.
Why can't people see this?
He owes the units money and can't pay them, the B.N.P. is bankrupt.

The electoral commission does very little about this, talk about the B.N.P being protected by the state.

[Sharon]

And yet he used the old "we will get more funds if I become an M.E.P. routine" to justify bankrupting the party in order to get himself elected.
Why can't people see this?
He owes the units money an can't pay them, the B.N.P. is bankrupt.

The electoral commission does very little about this, talk about the B.N.P being protected by the state.

Griffin is a wanker in charge of a nationalist ponsi scheme that never delivers the bonus. People don't want to see it because they've convinced themselves that the wanker will actually do something to prevent what is happening to this country.

He won't, we know it, and they are yet to know it, but they will.

BNP members should invest in custard pies and just throw them at him, but not before they call out the national press to record the momentous occasion of Griffin foaming at the mouth quite literally.

[Unregistered]

This has been going on for several months. It ensures the call centre get their rake-off from membership subscriptions. When it's time to renew, post your cheque to this address: Membership Department PO Box 107 Wigton Cumbria CA7 0YA.
If enough of us bypass Jim Dowson's pocket-lining machine, perhaps he will get the idea.

What are you trying to do, the bloody membership sec is in Belfast. All you will do is delay peoples membership as it will have to be forwarded on. Not even sure if the Wigton P.O. Box is even in use any more, that was from when Tina Wingfield used to do the Job.

[Unregistered]

If Tina Wingfield isn't the membership secretary, then why is she still being listed as such on the internal BNP contacts list?

Perhaps because the BNP is trying to keep it a bit quiet that Griffin has employed, with wages, his daughter Jennifer as the new BNP membership secretary? (Oh, and her new husband is on the payroll as well.)

If the BNP thinks it's ok to employ the chairman's daughter (and her husband) on the party pay roll, why is Tina Wingfield still being listed as the membership secretary, when she hasn't been for months, yet other organisational changes within the party have been constantly updated on the list?

Weird, isn't it?

[Sharon]

What are you trying to do, the bloody membership sec is in Belfast. All you will do is delay peoples membership as it will have to be forwarded on. Not even sure if the Wigton P.O. Box is even in use any more, that was from when Tina Wingfield used to do the Job.Ah, so Tina doesn't do memberships anymore?

[Unregistered]

Ah, so Tina doesn't do memberships anymore?

Correct. Nick Griffin's daughter Jennifer is the new BNP membership secretary. And, as a very nice wedding present from the father of the bride, Griffin has also put Jennifers's husband, Angus Mathys, on the payroll.

But hey, it's not hypocracy at all that that the BNP slag off the mainstream parties for nepotism, is it?!

[Sharon]

Correct. Nick Griffin's daughter Jennifer is the new BNP membership secretary. And, as a very nice wedding present from the father of the bride, Griffin has also put Jennifers's husband, Angus Mathys, on the payroll.

But hey, it's not hypocracy at all that that the BNP slag off the mainstream parties for nepotism, is it?!If that's true its utterly disgusting, but as I've said before, Griffin will be physically removed by those he least suspects.

[tyrone]

So this will be the reason why members are now getting called early to renew their membership (christmas money in dads pocket) as for the one so called member i know who had his cheque cashed months ago but they have no record of him and never received his membership,well he has give up trying to sort it out,so much for welcoming new members.

[Sharon]

So this will be the reason why members are now getting called early to renew their membership (christmas money in dads pocket) as for the one so called member i know who had his cheque cashed months ago but they have no record of him and never received his membership,well he has give up trying to sort it out,so much for welcoming new members.Even if members are dumb enough to overlook the other stuff, you can't possibly overlook...

Nick Griffin on the payroll
Jackie Griffin on the payroll
Griffin's mom on the payroll
Griffin's dad on the payroll
Griffin's daughter on the payroll
Griffin's son-in-law on the payroll

Decent people wouldn't tolerate it.

[Miss Moneypenny]

What are you trying to do, the bloody membership sec is in Belfast. All you will do is delay peoples membership as it will have to be forwarded on. Not even sure if the Wigton P.O. Box is even in use any more, that was from when Tina Wingfield used to do the Job.

Hello Jim;)

[Aelfgifu]

Even if members are dumb enough to overlook the other stuff, you can't possibly overlook...

Nick Griffin on the payroll
Jackie Griffin on the payroll
Griffin's mom on the payroll
Griffin's dad on the payroll
Griffin's daughter on the payroll
Griffin's son-in-law on the payroll

Decent people wouldn't tolerate it.

Not to mention:-

Jim Dowson on the payroll
Dowson's wife on the payroll
Dowson's son on the payroll
Dowson's sister on the payroll
Dowson's brother in law on the payroll

The party is just a cash cow for these two families and the members are so bloody gullible that they deserve to be fleeced bare because none of them have the courage to put a stop to it.

[tyrone]

And brainwashed BNP members are still going round saying the EDL are a state set up ? Looks like they gave the UAF a running in Leeds today,estimated turnout was about 900 EDL.Know a lot of people who have said goodbye to the griffin/dowson cash point machine and gone with the EDL,all were good BNP activists and said enough is enough when the BNP asked members to GRASS on their flock if they were involved or knew members of the EDL.

[cerberus]

And brainwashed BNP members are still going round saying the EDL are a state set up ? Looks like they gave the UAF a running in Leeds today,estimated turnout was about 900 EDL.Know a lot of people who have said goodbye to the griffin/dowson cash point machine and gone with the EDL,all were good BNP activists and said enough is enough when the BNP asked members to GRASS on their flock if they were involved or knew members of the EDL.

Expect a panicked response from Griffin within the next few days.

[tyrone]

Expect a panicked response from Griffin within the next few days.

Wouldnt be surprised.Three months ago we had a full slate ready to stand in the locals next year now we have none ? Everyone is fed up with the lies,the half truths,the poor administration,communication and constantly be treated as though we are thick through begging letters.The BNP is no longer a political party but a pipeline for for cash diverted to Welshpool.Its hard when you have to tell non active members and supporters that Griffin has pressed the self destruct button towards a funeral pyre of the BNP

[save ireland]

Stormfront is almost hopeless and has it's own problems with johnjewtree and whatnot but the UK section on VNN is infested with BNP C.U.N.T. people and we badly need a few from our side over there to take them on.

The BNP is a ZOG asset. The last thing you want is a topic like immigration being dealt with in this way and nothing will actually be changed but the ZOG will have an excuse to seize more powers for itself.

Basically any mention of any of the problems we face without mentioning Jews serves ZOG. Got to train the public to think outside the PC bubble, not keep them inside and milk them as with the BNP.

The Jig should be up now that Jigs are joining the BNP but apparently not yet.

[tyrone]

The BNP is now like a capitalist zog,many people are fed up of calls from the call centre as they basically go straight for the jugular (your wallet) as soon as they call.If you have ever been in business and a good customer stops spending all it takes is a nice phone call and chat but dont mention business.Once you have put the phone down that customer goes away and usually calls you back within a week about stock,discounts etc your repore is built back up quite quickly where the BNP call centre is lacking ? for one they known nothing about the business and for two they know nothing about the products.Theres nothing worse in this world than being cold called or canvassed by someone who is unskilled its a fact of life even if they have the gift of the gab you can smell they are just there to hit targets and sadly this is what BNP has become a target for £$£$£$

[Unregistered]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sharon
Even if members are dumb enough to overlook the other stuff, you can't possibly overlook...

Nick Griffin on the payroll WRONG-EURO NOT PARTY
Jackie Griffin on the payroll WRONG, NEVER HAS BEEN
Griffin's mom on the payroll WRONG
Griffin's dad on the payroll WRONG NEVER HAS BEEN
Griffin's daughter on the payroll CORRECT
Griffin's son-in-law on the payroll WRONG

Decent people wouldn't tolerate it.

Not to mention:-

Jim Dowson on the payroll WRONG/ BILLS FOR SERVICES
Dowson's wife on the payroll WRONG/HOUSEWIFE
Dowson's son on the payroll WRONG/PLUMBER
Dowson's sister on the payroll WRONG/IN AUSTRALIA
Dowson's brother in law on the payroll WRONG/DEAD


C'MON IF WE ARE HAVING A GO AT LEAST DEAL IN THE REAL WORLD, MANY WOULD LIKE THE HORRIBLE GRAFT TO BE TRUE BUT IT AINT. SORRY!

[Unregistered]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sharon
Even if members are dumb enough to overlook the other stuff, you can't possibly overlook...

Nick Griffin on the payroll WRONG-EURO NOT PARTY
Jackie Griffin on the payroll WRONG, NEVER HAS BEEN
Griffin's mom on the payroll WRONG
Griffin's dad on the payroll WRONG NEVER HAS BEEN
Griffin's daughter on the payroll CORRECT
Griffin's son-in-law on the payroll WRONG

Decent people wouldn't tolerate it.

Not to mention:-

Jim Dowson on the payroll WRONG/ BILLS FOR SERVICES
Dowson's wife on the payroll WRONG/HOUSEWIFE
Dowson's son on the payroll WRONG/PLUMBER
Dowson's sister on the payroll WRONG/IN AUSTRALIA
Dowson's brother in law on the payroll WRONG/DEAD


C'MON IF WE ARE HAVING A GO AT LEAST DEAL IN THE REAL WORLD, MANY WOULD LIKE THE HORRIBLE GRAFT TO BE TRUE BUT IT AINT. SORRY!

Them BNP paranoia pills on top of drink after reading clash of the titans are bad for you on a saturday night.I suggest an asprin,a cup of coco and a read of just 16 magazine.

[Sharon]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sharon
Even if members are dumb enough to overlook the other stuff, you can't possibly overlook...

Nick Griffin on the payroll WRONG-EURO NOT PARTY
Jackie Griffin on the payroll WRONG, NEVER HAS BEEN
Griffin's mom on the payroll WRONG
Griffin's dad on the payroll WRONG NEVER HAS BEEN
Griffin's daughter on the payroll CORRECT
Griffin's son-in-law on the payroll WRONG

Decent people wouldn't tolerate it.

Not to mention:-

Jim Dowson on the payroll WRONG/ BILLS FOR SERVICES
Dowson's wife on the payroll WRONG/HOUSEWIFE
Dowson's son on the payroll WRONG/PLUMBER
Dowson's sister on the payroll WRONG/IN AUSTRALIA
Dowson's brother in law on the payroll WRONG/DEAD


C'MON IF WE ARE HAVING A GO AT LEAST DEAL IN THE REAL WORLD, MANY WOULD LIKE THE HORRIBLE GRAFT TO BE TRUE BUT IT AINT. SORRY!Care to tell us who has a personal cashpoint card to the Trafalgar Club funds? Care to tell us who signs the Trafalgar Club cheques? Care to tell us why ANY of Griffins inept family should be on the payroll? I note Jennifer Griffin worked at the check-out at Tesco. Like father like daughter:) Griffin used to stack supermarket shelves in Welshpool, but life is so much easier fleecing people he thinks are cunts. If you wish to spar with me, either visit my house, or sign up using your REAL name Mr Dowson. I eat people like you for breakfast:) And, I look forward to ENRON pulling apart the BNP accounts next year. We at NWN have very long memories.

[Aelfgifu]

Them BNP paranoia pills on top of drink after reading clash of the titans are bad for you on a saturday night.I suggest an asprin,a cup of coco and a read of just 16 magazine.

Jackie Griffin was paid for administering the donor database after the sacking of Ged Munns. She was also receiving sick pay from her NHS employers at the time for stress.

Jean & Edgar Griffin were paid £100 a week for collecting and opening mail from the Welshpool PO Box.

Griffin's son in law IS on the payroll and works in the Belfast mailing room.

OK, Dowson may not technically be on the payroll but is in receipt of large amounts of members money.

Dowson's son does have a plumbing business but worked in the Belfast office during the Euro election.

Dowson may very well have a sister in Australia but she isn't the sister called Marion who is his PA in the Belfast office.

Dowson's brother in law (Marion's husband) worked in the Belfast office but walked out after a row with Dowson.

Even Dowson's office manager (number one suspect in the second list leak) walked out and then gave an interview to Lancaster unity. Makes interesting reading.

[Sharon]

Jackie Griffin was paid for administering the donor database after the sacking of Ged Munns. She was also receiving sick pay from her NHS employers at the time for stress.

Jean & Edgar Griffin were paid £100 a week for collecting and opening mail from the Welshpool PO Box.

Griffin's son in law IS on the payroll and works in the Belfast mailing room.

OK, Dowson may not technically be on the payroll but is in receipt of large amounts of members money.

Dowson's son does have a plumbing business but worked in the Belfast office during the Euro election.

Dowson may very well have a sister in Australia but she isn't the sister called Marion who is his PA in the Belfast office.

Dowson's brother in law (Marion's husband) worked in the Belfast office but walked out after a row with Dowson.

Even Dowson's office manager (number one suspect in the second list leak) walked out and then gave an interview to Lancaster unity. Makes interesting reading.

Is it true that Dowson nephew? is related to Griffins mother?
I was also told by Joe Owens that Jackie Griffin had a cash point card that she used for drawing money out. The money was TC money, and by the looks of it Griffin is about to come into another £1.5 million
http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2009/nov/01/bnp-alliance-european-parliament-funding

[Aelfgifu]

Is it true that Dowson nephew? is related to Griffins mother?
I was also told by Joe Owens that Jackie Griffin had a cash point card that she used for drawing money out. The money was TC money, and by the looks of it Griffin is about to come into another £1.5 million
http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2009/nov/01/bnp-alliance-european-parliament-funding

Nick Griffin to Jennie Noble, 'Where has all the money from the TC gone?'

Jennie Noble to Nick Griffin, 'I don't know, Nick. I just pay it in. You and Jackie are the only ones who can draw it out'.

Within days of this conversation Jennie Noble was sacked as Treasurer.

[Sharon]

Nick Griffin to Jennie Noble, 'Where has all the money from the TC gone?'

Jennie Noble to Nick Griffin, 'I don't know, Nick. I just pay it in. You and Jackie are the only ones who can draw it out'.

Within days of this conversation Jennie Noble was sacked as Treasurer.I wonder why she's still in the BNP? The rumours being spread around about her, are that she was inept and incapable of doing the accounts. Michaela McKenzie, is I believe still taking the BNP to court over employment issues, and I hope she wins.

[tyrone]

I dont think Jenny Noble would take party funds,i would say she was too honest for her own good and saw some irregular goings on and asked questions as any honest or dishonest accountant would.Hence another one asking questions,sack or set her up she is a searchlight spy etc.

[Miss Moneypenny]

For a party who prides itself on being (it says) open and honest, it is puzzling to see the number of intelligent party members who have been sacked or sidelined by the BNP for asking questions. Why do they have a problem with, for example, being asked why the party accounts were submitted so late that the party got fined? Money is an emotive subject in any organisation, and unless members can see that all financial dealings are open and transparent, they will cease to give, and the party will collapse. I would hate to see that happen, because for all its faults it's Britain's only hope for survival.

[prometheus unbound]

For a party who prides itself on being (it says) open and honest, it is puzzling to see the number of intelligent party members who have been sacked or sidelined by the BNP for asking questions. Why do they have a problem with, for example, being asked why the party accounts were submitted so late that the party got fined? Money is an emotive subject in any organisation, and unless members can see that all financial dealings are open and transparent, they will cease to give, and the party will collapse. I would hate to see that happen, because for all its faults it's Britain's only hope for survival.

Griffin got himself elected in 1999 on the back of suggesting policies like "open and honest accounting".

Every National Treasurer since Mike Newlands, the first under Griffins regime, has been sacked/resigned due to asking "Where has that money gone Nick !"

[tyrone]

When i first joined the party some years back i just watched learnt and observed and took all on board. After six months i had a number of points where the party locally,regionally and nationally were going wrong on certain issues like fundraising,meetings,elections,canvassing etc and put it to the then local organisers who thought there were some very good ideas.When they came back they were to told to get rid of me as i looked like trouble.

[Aelfgifu]

I dont think Jenny Noble would take party funds,i would say she was too honest for her own good and saw some irregular goings on and asked questions as any honest or dishonest accountant would.Hence another one asking questions,sack or set her up she is a searchlight spy etc.

You've hit the nail squarely on the head, Tyrone. Jennie Noble was, in fact, TOO meticulous at her job and was getting too close to the truth for comfort. Griffin got rid of her before she could place the last couple of pieces in the jigsaw, but she already had a good idea of the overall picture.

[Sharon]

You've hit the nail squarely on the head, Tyrone. Jennie Noble was, in fact, TOO meticulous at her job and was getting too close to the truth for comfort. Griffin got rid of her before she could place the last couple of pieces in the jigsaw, but she already had a good idea of the overall picture.

So why is she still in the BNP? Anyone with morals given a first taste of shit would never eat it again, in fact, they'd work solidly to defeat it.

[Trebor]

I'm sure all you worried BNP'ers will breathe a huge sigh of relief having read this on the web-site....

(PS the picture isn't here but see the reference below regarding "contractor" Jim Dowson......

"In Safe Hands: South West BNP Delegation Visit Call Centre

By Mike Howson–This week a delegation from the British National Party’s South West region visited the various operational centres in Northern Ireland on a fact-finding tour to see the extent that the party has modernised since our European election successes.

First port of call was the BNP Call Centre where the delegates were introduced to staff and briefed on the fundraising operation.

We found the staff to be highly motivated and professional (and busy). We raised some concerns passed on by our members over security of personal information and left satisfied that enough safeguards were in place to prevent any loss of personal data.

Next stop on the tour was the Customer Service Centre where the staff were busy processing the many life membership applications and renewals that were coming through as we were there. All the staff were qualified in customer care and trained to a very high standard.

Finally we had a meeting with the party’s central accountant where we were briefed on the systems in place and the methods of secure accounting with audit trails.

“Today I have witnessed a very professional operation run in a sound business fashion. The standard of commitment shown by all the staff was exemplary and we should consider ourselves very fortunate indeed that the British National Party is associated with such people,” said delegate Cllr Michael Simpkins.

Photo: South West Regional Organiser Mike Howson is briefed by contractor Jim Dowson".

I'm glad I got out when I did!

[tyrone]

I'm sure all you worried BNP'ers will breathe a huge sigh of relief having read this on the web-site....

(PS the picture isn't here but see the reference below regarding "contractor" Jim Dowson......

"In Safe Hands: South West BNP Delegation Visit Call Centre

By Mike Howson–This week a delegation from the British National Party’s South West region visited the various operational centres in Northern Ireland on a fact-finding tour to see the extent that the party has modernised since our European election successes.

First port of call was the BNP Call Centre where the delegates were introduced to staff and briefed on the fundraising operation.

We found the staff to be highly motivated and professional (and busy). We raised some concerns passed on by our members over security of personal information and left satisfied that enough safeguards were in place to prevent any loss of personal data.

Next stop on the tour was the Customer Service Centre where the staff were busy processing the many life membership applications and renewals that were coming through as we were there. All the staff were qualified in customer care and trained to a very high standard.

Finally we had a meeting with the party’s central accountant where we were briefed on the systems in place and the methods of secure accounting with audit trails.

“Today I have witnessed a very professional operation run in a sound business fashion. The standard of commitment shown by all the staff was exemplary and we should consider ourselves very fortunate indeed that the British National Party is associated with such people,” said delegate Cllr Michael Simpkins.

Photo: South West Regional Organiser Mike Howson is briefed by contractor Jim Dowson".

I'm glad I got out when I did!

Found that story strange especially with the recent sackings and suspensions in the south west,just like the party website kept reporting how great Birmingham BNP and the west midlands has a whole was doing then walllop ! Birmingham now on the brink of collapse or it it has collapsed,good organsiers stand down across the region and various groups disband.The west mids and the south west are in big trouble at the minute and the party know it.

[Sharon]

Found that story strange especially with the recent sackings and suspensions in the south west,just like the party website kept reporting how great Birmingham BNP and the west midlands has a whole was doing then walllop ! Birmingham now on the brink of collapse or it it has collapsed,good organsiers stand down across the region and various groups disband.The west mids and the south west are in big trouble at the minute and the party know it.The BNP are full of sh1t:)

[Miss Moneypenny]

Found that story strange especially with the recent sackings and suspensions in the south west,just like the party website kept reporting how great Birmingham BNP and the west midlands has a whole was doing then walllop ! Birmingham now on the brink of collapse or it it has collapsed,good organsiers stand down across the region and various groups disband.The west mids and the south west are in big trouble at the minute and the party know it.
To my knowledge, no one from the south west region went on this party-funded jaunt. The two mentioned in the article come from Wiltshire. They seeem to have easily impressed.

[Trebor]

To my knowledge, no one from the south west region went on this party-funded jaunt. The two mentioned in the article come from Wiltshire. They seeem to have easily impressed.

Wiltshire is in the South West or is it still classified as the Mid West?

The 2 "officials" named as part of the delegation were used, no doubt, exactly for the reasons that they are "easily impressed". They're certainly seen in the West Country as the Laurel and Hardy of the party but in no way as a complimentary comparison!

[Aelfgifu]

To my knowledge, no one from the south west region went on this party-funded jaunt. The two mentioned in the article come from Wiltshire. They seeem to have easily impressed.

Impressing is the whole point. It's a Dowson PR exercise and this is how it goes.....

Party (ie members) pays the airfare so they feel valued and important.
They get a tour of the call centre followed by a tour of the loyalist murals while being regaled by Jimbo with tales of his romantic freedom fighting past against the IRA. After this they get lunched at the exclusive Reform Club (again, paid for by the sucker members) and go home feeling like important men. Hey ho, Jim's a hero!

Pass me the sick bag, pleeeease!

[Sharon]

Impressing is the whole point. It's a Dowson PR exercise and this is how it goes.....

Party (ie members) pays the airfare so they feel valued and important.
They get a tour of the call centre followed by a tour of the loyalist murals while being regaled by Jimbo with tales of his romantic freedom fighting past against the IRA. After this they get lunched at the exclusive Reform Club (again, paid for by the sucker members) and go home feeling like important men. Hey ho, Jim's a hero!

Pass me the sick bag, pleeeease!

You know when you see someone for the first time, and on gut instinct you just know something isn't right? I get that with Dowson. There's more to him than meets the eye.

[Unregistered]

There seems to be a pattern emerging here.

Dowson needs to have a couple of acolytes, actual BNP members (unlike Dowson), to do his dirty work for him within the party.

In June it was the Lumbys. They were Dowson's yes-men who assisted with the killing-off of the productive Stroud office. This was because Dowson needed to get as much of the BNP's operations as possible under the Belfast wing so he could take a cut of the profits. Not to mention needing scapegoats for his complete cock-up of his "running" of the European elections campaign where his ineptitude cost the BNP an extra couple of MEP's.

The Lumbys were then given full-time paid positions within the BNP, given to them by Dowson for doing his dirty work for him. The Lumbys then made the silly mistake of thinking that Dowson actually valued them and when they were shown to be utterly incompetent, were cut loose by Dowson and sacked.

And now it appears that Mike Howson and Mick Simpkins are Dowson's new bitches. Apparently Simpkins has already been trying to imply, on Dowson's orders, that it was the Stroud office that had leaked the new membership list on the Green Arrow forum.

I see that the person who blew apart Simpkins' lies about about the Stroud office, and proved that it couldn't possibly have been them and the leak definitely came from the Belfast office, has since been banned from the Green Arrow forum. (Not much of a surprise as Simpkins is a mod on that forum!) So much for Green Arrow being an "objective" blog and not in the pocket of the BNP leadership!

The leaked list came from the Belfast office. It was leaked by a woman (non-nationalist, non-BNP member) employed by Dowson (another non-nationalist nor BNP member) as the Belfast office manager. She fell out with Dowson (sound familiar?) and then took a PC with all of the lists on it when she quit the Belfast office. This has been confirmed by newspaper stories in the Scottish and Ulster press over the past couple of weeks.

Google "BNP Bosses uncovered" and "Worker's fear after BNP Scot sends photo of himself with shotgun."

This is why there has not been one single word about the leaked list from the BNP since the day it was leaked. Because if the truth came out, that a disgruntled non-BNP member employed by Dowson, another non-BNP member, had access to such sensitive material, the membership would be up in arms and would probably demand Dowson's head.

So this might explain the curious silence from BNP HQ on such an important matter...

[Sharon]

There seems to be a pattern emerging here.

Dowson needs to have a couple of acolytes, actual BNP members (unlike Dowson), to do his dirty work for him within the party.

In June it was the Lumbys. They were Dowson's yes-men who assisted with the killing-off of the productive Stroud office. This was because Dowson needed to get as much of the BNP's operations as possible under the Belfast wing so he could take a cut of the profits. Not to mention needing scapegoats for his complete cock-up of his "running" of the European elections campaign where his ineptitude cost the BNP an extra couple of MEP's.

The Lumbys were then given full-time paid positions within the BNP, given to them by Dowson for doing his dirty work for him. The Lumbys then made the silly mistake of thinking that Dowson actually valued them and when they were shown to be utterly incompetent, were cut loose by Dowson and sacked.

And now it appears that Mike Howson and Mick Simpkins are Dowson's new bitches. Apparently Simpkins has already been trying to imply, on Dowson's orders, that it was the Stroud office that had leaked the new membership list on the Green Arrow forum.

I see that the person who blew apart Simpkins' lies about about the Stroud office, and proved that it couldn't possibly have been them and the leak definitely came from the Belfast office, has since been banned from the Green Arrow forum. (Not much of a surprise as Simpkins is a mod on that forum!) So much for Green Arrow being an "objective" blog and not in the pocket of the BNP leadership!

The leaked list came from the Belfast office. It was leaked by a woman (non-nationalist, non-BNP member) employed by Dowson (another non-nationalist nor BNP member) as the Belfast office manager. She fell out with Dowson (sound familiar?) and then took a PC with all of the lists on it when she quit the Belfast office. This has been confirmed by newspaper stories in the Scottish and Ulster press over the past couple of weeks.

Google "BNP Bosses uncovered" and "Worker's fear after BNP Scot sends photo of himself with shotgun."

This is why there has not been one single word about the leaked list from the BNP since the day it was leaked. Because if the truth came out, that a disgruntled non-BNP member employed by Dowson, another non-BNP member, had access to such sensitive material, the membership would be up in arms and would probably demand Dowson's head.

So this might explain the curious silence from BNP HQ on such an important matter...BNP members are in no position to demand anything, and they never have been.

[Unregistered]

BNP members are in no position to demand anything, and they never have been.

Very true Sharon. The problem is that the BNP constitution, and the criteria for leadership challenges, makes it that no one who is in any way lukewarm to Griffin will get a platform.

But hopefully avenues like NWN will provide that platform for people who know what the score is within the BNP. The BNP don't do this themselves of course. Their own forum was recently shut down. Just before, of course, there could be any debate in BNP circles about letting non-whites into the party...

BNP members read blogs like NWN. They may not agree with NWN, as they may still be beholden to the Griffin personality cult. But hopefully, with the posts such as these in this forum, they might put two and two together and eventually, once the brainwashing has subsided, come up with the magical four theory.

[Tactics]

Chaos, greed, ineptitude and cronyism, factually put.

[tyrone]

Agreed about the Lumbys,they were trying to get somewhere fast ? in the party but were walking backwards on everything they did ? Dowson saw the opportunity took them away from running Birmingham just when they sacked an organiser in east birmingham and tania lumby was supposed to be running it who did nothing anyway and pissed off all the members as she always rang up pissed.I have it on good authority that east birmingham BNP is no more,who in the party will ask questions why ? Richard lumby put himself in the shard end ward when east brum activist and shard end candidate mark neary left and joined the NF after that the vote dropped to under 1000 on the ward as mark neary was good friends with all the east birmingham activists and the ward wasnt being hit.Someone high up in the party knew the lumbys were bad news from day one but gave the green light every time to promote them ? why ?

[Sharon]

Agreed about the Lumbys,they were trying to get somewhere fast ? in the party but were walking backwards on everything they did ? Dowson saw the opportunity took them away from running Birmingham just when they sacked an organiser in east birmingham and tania lumby was supposed to be running it who did nothing anyway and pissed off all the members as she always rang up pissed.I have it on good authority that east birmingham BNP is no more,who in the party will ask questions why ? Richard lumby put himself in the shard end ward when east brum activist and shard end candidate mark neary left and joined the NF after that the vote dropped to under 1000 on the ward as mark neary was good friends with all the east birmingham activists and the ward wasnt being hit.Someone high up in the party knew the lumbys were bad news from day one but gave the green light every time to promote them ? why ?I'll be looking in two directions next year. B&D and Brum. If B&D don't re-elect the BNP is finished. And I'll be looking at Birmingham which I think will slide another 5% to 8% on the 2008 vote.

The only hope left for the BNP is to elect a leader with a backbone, and to pray for the emergence of an Islamic political party that makes a real dent in the main three. If such a party were to take control of Birmingham for example, I reckon 60% of Britain would turn out to vote for a nationalist party. Its just a matter of time, but the Labour Party have been happy to teach the Muslims all they know on local British politics. Now all we need is for the dog to bite the hand that fed it.

[Aelfgifu]

BNP members are in no position to demand anything, and they never have been.

Right there, Sharon. Griffin is a petty dictator who has proved himself willing to sacrifice anyone and everyone to protect Dowson. And Unregistered is also right about Howson and Simpkins. Funny thing is, Howson had built a dossier on Dowson and was gunning for him with all barrels blazing until he was stopped in his tracks at the fateful Stroud meeting where certain members were taken aside and grilled. Nick must have scared the shit out of him because he did a complete U-turn and is now a Dowson worshipper. Howson is competely devoid of courage and would sacrifice his principles, if he has any, before his ego and position.

[tyrone]

I'll be looking in two directions next year. B&D and Brum. If B&D don't re-elect the BNP is finished. And I'll be looking at Birmingham which I think will slide another 5% to 8% on the 2008 vote.

The only hope left for the BNP is to elect a leader with a backbone, and to pray for the emergence of an Islamic political party that makes a real dent in the main three. If such a party were to take control of Birmingham for example, I reckon 60% of Britain would turn out to vote for a nationalist party. Its just a matter of time, but the Labour Party have been happy to teach the Muslims all they know on local British politics. Now all we need is for the dog to bite the hand that fed it.

*cheers* I wonder why the lumbys and mike bell all resigned together ? they all joined the party at the same time as well very strange.
But as sharon says next year in Birmingham you will have the 3 parties and respect stand for 40 seats, says if 30 of these seats were stood by muslims and 22 got in you could bet your bottom dollar they would form a muslim council and drop the party they stood for.Islam will become before lib/lab/con this would really make the reds and lefties in brum look rather stupid but i hope it happens.

[tyrone]

I wonder why the lumbys and mike bell all resigned together ? they all joined the party at the same time as well very strange.

Forgot to say these 3 were either there to f**k it up or knew they f****d up thats why they resigned.

[Ian]

The question, assuming nothing more sinister, is Griffin's personnel decisions. Why does he hire non-members to process membership enquiries? Perhaps it was all part of his deal with Ulsterman Dowson to make more money for the party. Yet it is obviously insecure to let membership and enquiry details be dealt with by outsiders.

This personnel difficulty occurred earlier with Sadie Graham. Recently her husband was convicted of releasing the BNP members list, although she was more involved in party detail than him. When she was in the leadership of a party split, she claimed, on their website, to be opposing Griffin in the interests of the party. It showed how much she was interested in the party when the members list was published some time later, her split not having resulted in anything much politically. Sadie Graham came from nowhere into the BNP, as a student, and was catapulted into leadership circles by Nick Griffin. It was the only time I ever saw a BNP leadership figure consistently complimented by Searchlight Magazine(online), as exceptional. That could be Searchlight promoting a young woman, to displace mature masculine leaders, or Graham might have been a Searchlight agent.

Yet trusted, long term activists have been consistently pushed aside by Griffin. For example Warren Bennett, former BNP head of security, with years of service. Also from Scotland, the former deputy leader, MacLean, pushed aside and disappeared from view. I saw MacLean speak once as BNP Scotland leader in 2000. He was a bit pompous, but praised Nick Griffin to us. But Mark Collett, an absurd young man, is still near the centre of the BNP operations.

There may be personality reasons for this, rather than anything more sinister.

[Sharon]

The question, assuming nothing more sinister, is Griffin's personnel decisions. Why does he hire non-members to process membership enquiries? Perhaps it was all part of his deal with Ulsterman Dowson to make more money for the party. Yet it is obviously insecure to let membership and enquiry details be dealt with by outsiders.

This personnel difficulty occurred earlier with Sadie Graham. Recently her husband was convicted of releasing the BNP members list, although she was more involved in party detail than him. When she was in the leadership of a party split, she claimed, on their website, to be opposing Griffin in the interests of the party. It showed how much she was interested in the party when the members list was published some time later, her split not having resulted in anything much politically. Sadie Graham came from nowhere into the BNP, as a student, and was catapulted into leadership circles by Nick Griffin. It was the only time I ever saw a BNP leadership figure consistently complimented by Searchlight Magazine(online), as exceptional. That could be Searchlight promoting a young woman, to displace mature masculine leaders, or Graham might have been a Searchlight agent.

Yet trusted, long term activists have been consistently pushed aside by Griffin. For example Warren Bennett, former BNP head of security, with years of service. Also from Scotland, the former deputy leader, MacLean, pushed aside and disappeared from view. I saw MacLean speak once as BNP Scotland leader in 2000. He was a bit pompous, but praised Nick Griffin to us. But Mark Collett, an absurd young man, is still near the centre of the BNP operations.

There may be personality reasons for this, rather than anything more sinister.Yes, personality plays a very large part in the BNP. Griffin likes personalities he can manipulate, and if they're greedy little buggers to boot, he likes them even more.

One thing you never do with Griffin if you wish to rise in the BNP, is show him you have any morals, and whatever you do, never take the money if you're on benefits, IT IS ALWAYS USED AGAINST YOU, as a certain BNP councillor found out when he fell from grace and was discovered to be a member of the reform group.

Griffin uses John Walker to make the calls, and they go something like this...

"We understand we may have paid you money you weren't entitled to"...Silence purchased:) But, Walker will have the f*cking rug pulled from underneath him one day;)

[Sharon]

I wonder why the lumbys and mike bell all resigned together ? they all joined the party at the same time as well very strange.

Forgot to say these 3 were either there to f**k it up or knew they f****d up thats why they resigned.Are they still members, or have they gone completely?

[tyrone]

Are they still members, or have they gone completely?

They have gone by all counts,he had a love for irish nationalism and she had a love for the off licence.Two creepy liberals that the BNP let in to fuck it up,it should be on simon darbys head he promoted them to fuck up birmingham and west mids BNP.

[old england]

Still a card carrying member but iv'e only received one members bulletin in the past three months,which was in early September which should have been for August as it was advertising RWB.

Our group hasn't received any enquiries or new members details in over six months ? We know of four new members in recent months and counted 22 houses with BNP window posters whilst leafleting during the euro election campaign (that's 22 households that rang the enquiry line through the royal mail leaflets) We have never received these enquiries ? What is going on both at national and regional office ?

Got my BN in this morning's post, but like yourself, i can't recall recieving any others for a good couple of months

[Frodo]

Ipray for the emergence of an Islamic political party that makes a real dent in the main three.

I guess that "Respect" was the nearest that would ever come to that - and that's f****d

[Sharon]

I guess that "Respect" was the nearest that would ever come to that - and that's f****dMay be, but a certain female RESPECT councillor in Brum has the gumption to start one;)

[Mrbaz]

slightly off topic. watched councilors at brum rememberance parade pretty sure only one not there was the one from from respect

[Riaz Sobrany]

and to pray for the emergence of an Islamic political party that makes a real dent in the main three.

The likelihood of that happening in the foreseeable future is zilch. Organisations such as the MCB have put in tremendous effort to prevent the formation of a viable Islamic political party. Few ethnic Muslim community leaders show any interest in forming Islamic political parties and these people control the political views of many ordinary rank and file Muslims.

the Labour Party have been happy to teach the Muslims all they know on local British politics. Now all we need is for the dog to bite the hand that fed it.

The reason why Muslims continue to support Labour is because of pork barrelling.

I guess that "Respect" was the nearest that would ever come to that - and that's f****d

Respect is not, and has never intended to be, an Islamic political party. It was failed project by the non-Muslim reds to 'borrow' the Muslim vote in order to elect the reds into power. When it became patently clear that Muslims would only vote for Muslim members of Respect, and only a tiny handful of non-Muslims would vote for Respect, the party collapsed because the reds realised they were putting Muslims in power instead of their own red comrades.

[Sharon]

The likelihood of that happening in the foreseeable future is zilch. Organisations such as the MCB have put in tremendous effort to prevent the formation of a viable Islamic political party. Few ethnic Muslim community leaders show any interest in forming Islamic political parties and these people control the political views of many ordinary rank and file Muslims.



The reason why Muslims continue to support Labour is because of pork barrelling.



Respect is not, and has never intended to be, an Islamic political party. It was failed project by the non-Muslim reds to 'borrow' the Muslim vote in order to elect the reds into power. When it became patently clear that Muslims would only vote for Muslim members of Respect, and only a tiny handful of non-Muslims would vote for Respect, the party collapsed because the reds realised they were putting Muslims in power instead of their own red comrades.I beg to differ, you should visit the Highgate Mosque and talk to Dr Nazim.

[Mrbaz]

Muslims will vote labour when iman tells them to. once they have a voting majority in an area they stand respect candidate and the iman says vote for them. george galloway has a lot to answer for should change his name to george gallows cause i would put him there

[Riaz Sobrany]

I beg to differ, you should visit the Highgate Mosque and talk to Dr Nazim.

There are exceptions to the rules. I shall ensure Dr Nazim is suitably probed because it might reveal something useful...

Muslims will vote labour when iman tells them to. once they have a voting majority in an area they stand respect candidate and the iman says vote for them.

Explain why Respect has made little impact in the Muslim communities of Lancashire and Yorkshire.

george galloway has a lot to answer for should change his name to george gallows cause i would put him there

George Galloway is a very ungenuine person.

[Sharon]

There are exceptions to the rules. I shall ensure Dr Nazim is suitably probed because it might reveal something useful...You may find UKIP got there before you:D



Explain why Respect has made little impact in the Muslim communities of Lancashire and Yorkshire.Experience?



George Galloway is a very ungenuine person.I thought he made quite a convincing cat:eek:

[Mrbaz]

You may find UKIP got there before you:D



Experience?



I thought he made quite a convincing cat:eek:

Cat pussy or just an all round c**t

[prometheus unbound]

I quite liked his standing up to the zionist lobby in the USA. There's a couple of videos on youtube that are quite impressive.

[Mrbaz]

I quite liked his standing up to the zionist lobby in the USA. There's a couple of videos on youtube that are quite impressive.

i did enjoy that he is good but i cannot agree with his politics